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Loading Blackhorn 209

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Loading Blackhorn 209

Postby Zerodur » Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:26 am

When measuring 209 by volume should I tap the sides of the loading tube, allowlng the powder to settle or should I just put the powder in th tubes and turn the tubes up and down the reason I ask, there is a difference of 5 to 7 grain depending how I do it

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Re: Loading blackmore 209

Postby WV Hunter » Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:51 am

It really doesn't matter as long as you are consistent every time. Many loaders measure differently anyhow. Use what method works for you, then figure out what amount your rifle likes and stick with it.
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Re: Loading blackmore 209

Postby SteveH » Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:53 am

You can probably do whatever you want, as long as you are consistent. Once you find the right amount of Blackhorn 209 for the given bullet, sabot and gun, don't change your practice.
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Re: Loading blackmore 209

Postby SteveH » Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:53 am

SteveH wrote:You can probably do whatever you want, as long as you are consistent. Once you find the right amount of Blackhorn 209 for the given bullet, sabot and gun, don't change your practice.


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Re: Loading blackmore 209

Postby ronlaughlin » Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:57 am

If you are using the Blackhorn vials, your measurements will never be accurate no matter how you do it. You will get better, and more consistent results if you measure using something like the TC u-view measure, or another type intended for measuring powder. The blackhorn vials are fine for hauling the powder to the range, after it is measured using something more accurate.

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Re: Loading blackmore 209

Postby Cattledog » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:31 am

Try wiping your vails with a dryer sheet. The powder will all come out.

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Re: Loading blackmore 209

Postby 2701jim » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:19 pm

As Ron mentioned above the TC U View is the most accurate and as far as I have found the ONLY accurate measure. My Blackhorn Vials are off by about 10. I now weigh my charges.

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Re: Loading blackmore 209

Postby Fort Valley Man » Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:36 pm

Weight the charges and you will get better accuracy on paper. I am not sure it will make a difference for hunting big game animals, but on paper, I notice better consistency. My first (3) shot group was a big hole at 100 yards with 70 grains of weighed powder.

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Re: Loading blackmore 209

Postby GM54-120 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:25 pm

If you care to make the investment AND want to use volume.....(FOR BH209 ONLY...NOT for other subs unless you get a Black Powder version)

You can get something like a Redding 3BR (rifle version) to more accurately measure by volume. They are pricey but show up on auction sites occasionally

Around $175 for the Reddding and quite a bit less for the RCBS UniFlow.
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Loading blackmore 209

Postby 01Foreman400 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:30 am

Why not just weigh it and be done with it? You can get a descent scale for $25-$30.

This will last me several years. It’s all weighed out and ready to go. Sits in my safe.

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Re: Loading Blackhorn 209

Postby herschel conyers » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:48 am

How many grains of Blackhorn do you shoot?

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Re: Loading Blackhorn 209

Postby 01Foreman400 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:51 am

84 gr. Weighted.


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Re: Loading Blackhorn 209

Postby Dougs136Schwartz » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:11 am

It really does not matter out to 200 yards whether you weigh Blackhorn or measure by volume . I've done it both ways . I use to really sweat my loads I would have every load weighed out exactly I mean EXACT .Jeff Fisk told me that it was not that crucial so I did some experimenting on my own . For hunting ( which I consider a 200 yard shot a very long shot ) you will not tell a difference in accuracy . As long as you measure your loads out the same. I've weighed my loads ,used powder measure devices,drop devises and used Blackhorn tubes to measure my loads all of these work fine . Just make sure how ever you decide to do it the same .

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Re: RE: Re: Loading Blackhorn 209

Postby herschel conyers » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:42 am

01Foreman400 wrote:84 gr. Weighted.


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The reason i asked, looks in the picture of the tubes, that the volume is way above the 120 mark?

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Re: Loading Blackhorn 209

Postby rangerod » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:48 am

herschel conyers wrote:
01Foreman400 wrote:84 gr. Weighted.


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The reason i asked, looks in the picture of the tubes, that the volume is way above the 120 mark?

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I think your seeing an illusion since the tube is laying on its side. Powder spilling in the tube above the 120 mark.

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Re: RE: Re: Loading Blackhorn 209

Postby herschel conyers » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:11 am

rangerod wrote:
herschel conyers wrote:
01Foreman400 wrote:84 gr. Weighted.


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The reason i asked, looks in the picture of the tubes, that the volume is way above the 120 mark?

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I think your seeing an illusion since the tube is laying on its side. Powder spilling in the tube above the 120 mark.
I see says the blind man "me", thankyou

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Re: Loading Blackhorn 209

Postby rangerod » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:31 am

At my age of 64 I often use the old age excuse. Works pretty well. Have you ever heard of Windfall Ind? My dad was originally from there.

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Re: Loading Blackhorn 209

Postby 01Foreman400 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:43 am

Yeah, just because it’s tipped on it’s side.


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Re: RE: Re: Loading Blackhorn 209

Postby herschel conyers » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:01 am

rangerod wrote:At my age of 64 I often use the old age excuse. Works pretty well. Have you ever heard of Windfall Ind? My dad was originally from there.
Yep, windfall is about 10 miles down the road.

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Re: Loading Blackhorn 209

Postby 86alaskan » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:01 pm

When I fill my range tubes I always measure on a digital scale. I have experienced just what you're saying with the volume measure, that's why I weigh now. I do a lot of cartridge reloading and would never imagine just dumping a volume of powder into a case. It may not make much of a difference for hunting, but it sure helps with the OCD. Blackhorn is 70grs weight to 100grs volume. I usually weigh out 80gr loads for hunting in my TC 209x50.

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Re: Loading Blackhorn 209

Postby Busta » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:34 pm

Dougs136Schwartz wrote:It really does not matter out to 200 yards whether you weigh Blackhorn or measure by volume . I've done it both ways . I use to really sweat my loads I would have every load weighed out exactly I mean EXACT .Jeff Fisk told me that it was not that crucial so I did some experimenting on my own . For hunting ( which I consider a 200 yard shot a very long shot ) you will not tell a difference in accuracy . As long as you measure your loads out the same. I've weighed my loads ,used powder measure devices,drop devises and used Blackhorn tubes to measure my loads all of these work fine . Just make sure how ever you decide to do it the same .


Great post! Some will argue, but some of us figured this out back in 2008. Still works the same, 9-1/2 years later.
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Re: Loading Blackhorn 209

Postby GM54-120 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:22 pm

The only reason i weigh is because its very very convenient for me. Calibrate, set amount and press a button. Dump, replace pan and repeat. It keeps filling the pan with the charge i want until i tell it to stop or i can select how many charges i want thrown.

It aint cheap but i love my RCBS ChargeMaster 1500 Combo :P

Well...and BH209 is pricey and it cuts waste down to basically nothing.
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Loading Blackhorn 209

Postby Kraig » Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:48 pm

Not to hijack this thread, but on a quick site note, how far ahead of time can you load your range or hunting tubes (like Lanes vials) before use? I wouldn’t think it would matter would it? Seems to me the vials are just as air tight as the BH209 bottle.


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Re: RE: Re: Loading Blackhorn 209

Postby herschel conyers » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:57 pm

Kraig wrote:Not to hijack this thread, but on a quick site note, how far ahead of time can you load your range or hunting tubes (like Lanes vials) before use? I wouldn’t think it would matter would it? Seems to me the vials are just as air right as the BH209 bottle.


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All powders are packaged in nontransparent containers. Usually black plastic, metal, etc. U v light does degrade the powder. Lanes tubes will keep powder for years if stored properly. Keep them in the dark.

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