Another silly question - can I use these?

Hi Guys,
Sorry another stupid question. I used to reload for my old mans 45-70 but last year he sold it. I forgot about the projectiles until I found them at the back of te ammo cabinet tonight.
My question is, can I run these through my muzzy? If so what sabots would I need to get?

Also, would these scrape through if I'm hunting buff next year? Just to save worry about buying/casting some others? Fine if not, just thought it was worth an ask.

Cheers in advance

Jack


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The orange ones
http://mmpsabots.com/store/hph-sabot-series/

some people use Harvester crush ribs with the .458
https://www.harvestermuzzleloading.com/ ... &Itemid=18

I don't see why you could not hunt with those. I've shot them out of my .52 Knight with good accuracy but never at a game animal.

Take a look at the Hornady site for applications. I'm sure hunting will be listed.

you could with the proper sabots, but depending on your desired velocity you may find the .452 XTP's a better match

Expansion starts at 1700 FPS, Stay at that or above and the bullet will expand.


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A ton of 45/70 load data is very similar to a mid to upper range ML 300gr load data in fps. 1700fps MV is a cake walk for a modern inline.

Those bullets should work just fine with the sabots mentioned.

Thanks for the help guys.
Having said this though, does that mean that pretty well any
.458 cal projectile can be made to fit in my muzzleloader with a proper sabot? If so it could fix the issue of me not being able to get my Barnes. I could try a Barnes 300gn tsx theoretically in .458 cal then?


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This is the only .458 50 Cal sabot I could find: http://mmpsabots.com/store/orange-hph-sabot/ if it shoots good in your gun with the bullet you select I would say you are good to go.

MMP carries a sabot made especially for the .458

Its an orange 50x458 sabot. The other one that sometimes works is the Harvester Black Crushrib for .452s. Its loose enough that it works in some bore with a .458 bullet.

You might also try the red 3 petal sabot that comes with the SSTs. Its fairly small OD when using the .452 SST and may also work with a .458. The other option is to run a .458 through 2 sizing dies. Run it through a .454 sizing die and then through a .452 or .451 sizing die. Ive done it and it works fine.

I shot those same bullets out of my Black Diamond using Knight/MMP orange sabots. I pushed them with 110 grains of pyrodex. While accurate out to 100 yards, I never tired them further. Also I never took game with them so I can not give you a report on their hunting hits. But they were a nice bullet to load and shoot. I also shoot a 423 grain all lead bullet out of the same sabots that I cast. My friend used them on a deer and it really put that little buck down in a hurry.

That my bullet of choice.I also have a .45-70 that I reload for with that same bullet.I use that in my .50 cal. muzzy's with a harvester black crushrib sabot.They work great.

Oh man this is opening up a whole new suite of options for me. The frustrating thing as I've said many times is not being able to get muzzy pills, having an option to get any .45 cal projectile to work should fix half my problems!


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I shoot 458's almost exclusively in my 50's. Think of this way do you want to shoot factory bullets designed for pistols or would you rather shoot a real rifle bullet. The 458 is a 45-70 bullet - designed for a hard driving rifle.

Look at this 458x305 gr. ...



I call it the Lehigh Buffalo Bullet.... it is real popular with 45-70 shooters. I load this into a MMP sabot and shoot it in my Knights - great elk bullet...

It is a little to much bullet for a Whitetail - but it really worked well

Thank you sabot loader, that's a mean looking projectile. My main species are red deer and fallow, which are basically the same size as elk and wt respectively. How far did that buck go? He's a beauty too, that's what I hope to take one day, a pretty, neat rack. Great stuff.


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JPHunting said:

Thank you sabot loader, that's a mean looking projectile. My main species are red deer and fallow, which are basically the same size as elk and wt respectively. How far did that buck go? He's a beauty too, that's what I hope to take one day, a pretty, neat rack. Great stuff.


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Maybe twenty feet... and drop - I was able to track it really easy

This one went about one leap down hill



She turned 180* and fell -although she was shot with a 458x300 ML Lehigh/Bloodline

Great stuff, man she looks tasty! Determined to taste elk one day.


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Before anyone replied to me here, I emailed a bloke Randy Wakeman who writes for ChuckHawks and asked about using Barnes .458 cal stuff in my inline. Without giving much explanation he said it was a flat out no to using them.
Can anyone think why?


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JPHunting said:

Before anyone replied to me here, I emailed a bloke Randy Wakeman who writes for ChuckHawks and asked about using Barnes .458 cal stuff in my inline. Without giving much explanation he said it was a flat out no to using them.
Can anyone think why?


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The main reason is because he is a twit

The other reason is that he is a huge Barnes Original 300gr 458 Spitzer fan and those are tough bullets. You need a very highend load or a non smoker for enough fps for reliable expansion. The Barnes 458 250gr will expand just fine at most ML speeds

I have no doubt the Barnes 300gr 458 SOCOM expands at ML speeds. The 458 SOCOM can only achieve about 1900fps+ MV with a 300gr and the bullet is made just for it.

This is from my 54-120 brush gun with just a 20" barrel.

JPHunting

Concerning RW - GM54-120 is really being nice.... it could get a lot more colorful than 'TWIT'