something in my barrel

Hey all I have used your help before with great success on here... Now I have another question. I have "something" in my barrel basically there the QLA ends and the rifling starts. It doesn't look like rust, it almost looks whitish and I can't really tell how abrasive it is since I can't get my finger in to it. I noticed it while cleaning my gun for the end of the season. I used Frog Lube to clean the bore and also some JB's bore paste to get some of the extra stuff that didn't come out easily. I tried a brass brush with some Frog Lube on it going over it for a couple minutes. That didn't really seem to do anything. Any ideas on what it might be and how to clean it? By the way my gun is an older Encore for reference..

Thanks in advance

My bet is...... its part of the steel that's bad. Unfortunately some T/C barrels had problems like you suggested. I know of guys that sent their barrels in and they honed them smooth. I know a guy that they just replaced his barrel. Its not new and doesn't affect all T/C rifles but, it was a problem that some owners experienced.

Is it similar to this photo?

checking to see if the pic uploads. I didn't realize how much of a PITA it would be to take a pic down the bore. Or to post a picture on here...Can anyone give me some help on how to post pics?

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I am not sure what that is. It looks almost like a lack of bluing and something not smoothed out. If the patches you work show no rust, and it don't effect accuracy, I would just oil it up and see if it will eventually shoot out.

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thanks for posting the picture. I tried looking up how to and it was confusing to me I have had very little sleep lately and am a little slow right now...

Could some of the JB bore paste have stuck to the lip of the QLA/rifling? Do you have a bore brush? Try taking a bore brush dipped in solvent, into the muzzle an spin it around good in that location, might get it out, good luck! Also a .54 brass brush will work too and get inside the .50 rifling where a regular .50 cal. brush can't reach.

That's not the JR paste because it was in there before this season. It wasn't in there last year so it's something that developed while in storage. I tried the brass bore brush dipped in Frog Lube (which is a good CLP) and spun it like you suggested before that picture. I am baffled what it is because I take good care of my guns...

Question about the T/C recess: Not sure what T/C calls this counterbore prior to the rifling, but when I inherited my Encore 50 and stated making a mold and playing with Paper Patch bullets for it - I quickly found out the recess was not for PP.- too sharp an edge and tore off my paper . Before I cut the end of the barrel off in the lathe, I put a snug fitting 2" pin gauge in the end of the barrel and dial indicated the pin to read 0 - had it aligned dead center. Then I pulled out the plug and I put my indicator on the counterbore about 1/4" in from the muzzle, rotated the barrel and found the CB was out of round with the bore 0.004". I know that's only the hair on your head thickness, but I still wonder today if it made a difference.

52Bore TC calls the recessed part of the muzzle a QLA (quick load accurizer) it wasn't made for conical shooting IMO, but sabots don't seem to make a difference. Its been many moons since I shot a saboted bullet in anything, sold all my TC rifles except the Renegade, which was made prior to the QLA hype/BS. Didn't take you long to get rid of the QLA either, smart!! :lol: :lol:

da new guy said:

That's not the JR paste because it was in there before this season. It wasn't in there last year so it's something that developed while in storage. I tried the brass bore brush dipped in Frog Lube (which is a good CLP) and spun it like you suggested before that picture. I am baffled what it is because I take good care of my guns...

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I'm not sure just what Frog lube is? Does it leave a residue after it dries? Probably not or you would have thought of that...I have never had that issue with any of my rifles. Hope you figure it out!

I would bet its oxidation from powder. Ive almost gotten in the habit of cleaning BP guns twice, once after shooting, then if the gun isnt used again soon, a week or so later they get a second rubdown/oiling. Its like the nipples on sidelocks. you can clean them, scrub them, oil well, but if you missed one micron somewhere, a week later that whitish crud starts forming. From what you thought was a clean gun. another reason I stopped using the water clean method. especially after reading the Dutch Schultz pamphlets. a week later I would always pull flash rust from a clean and oiled bore.

Sorry for those that don't know what Frog Lube is its a CLP (cleaner/lube/protectant) that I use for my duty firearms and really like. I am kind of baffled on this one as I thought that I keep mu gun pretty clean. I have had this En core for 10+ years and never had a problem before, though I have only been using BH209 for about three or four years now. I am inclined to believe that it is what Encore50 says and it's a bad spot in the steel... I just don't know what to think and where to go from here. Would this effect the accuracy of my barrel?

da new guy said:

Sorry for those that don't know what Frog Lube is its a CLP (cleaner/lube/protectant) that I use for my duty firearms and really like. I am kind of baffled on this one as I thought that I keep mu gun pretty clean. I have had this En core for 10+ years and never had a problem before, though I have only been using BH209 for about three or four years now. I am inclined to believe that it is what Encore50 says and it's a bad spot in the steel... I just don't know what to think and where to go from here. Would this effect the accuracy of my barrel?

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I personally know of two different rifles, now I believe the third, that has the condition. In the other two rifles (one in the photo) it DID NOT affect the accuracy at all. The other rifle had the spot just inside the barrel from the breech plug and this was the guy that contacted T/C and sent the barrel back. It took him longer than he expected, but the barrel was finally returned. It didn't affect his accuracy, but he just couldn't stand knowing it was there, so he sent it in.
There's lots of speculation by many but, T/C has had this problem with a few barrels. Not very many but some had the issue. I've been keeping up and I can almost assure you, short of sending it back or dealing with it, you can use just about everything and you won't get it out. Now if you know a good gunsmith, they would have the equipment to hone it out, or you could have the entire QLA cut off and have it re-crowned. Only other options are to contact T/C or shoot the rifle.

The Frog Lube you use, is TOP QUALITY when it comes to protection. I posted the testing of many of the major lubricants in the forum, Frog Lube was at the very top of the list for protection.

For those that missed the test: http://nextbukoutdoors.com/gun-care-product-evaluation/

Very interesting test, thanks for sharing Encore50A. Never heard of Frog Lube till this post will try to find some. The WD Specialist surprised me too!

White Rust!