Knight 1-18 twist, 209 BH

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shot 90 grns. swiss 1 1/2 and got rifle sited in at 50 yds. I then cleaned the barrel and shot the BH 209 60 grns. by weight and it shot 1/2 inch lower than the swiss. The BH grouped good, but had no way of checking velocity. Would like to get between 1400 and maybe 1800 with 500 grn bullet. Liked fact not using cleaner. wiped between shots with dry patch. I had no issues with ignition. Any suggestions?
 
Seems 1400 fps should be easy but 1800 fps going to be tuff imo

Ive had best luck using a brass brush between shots no patches. Usually first shot clean will be 1 moa high then rest will group allday .
 
Busta said:
I've shot some big lead (460's and 488's IIRC) in my converted Knight .45 cal 1:20 twist and my White M-98 in .451 cal 1:20 twist w/209 conversion with Blackhorn 209 back in 2008 or 2009, but I cannot remember how high I went on powder. Would probably be in the 70-80 grains by VOLUME, which would equate to 49-56 grains by WEIGHT. I tested some 460 grainers in my .45 cal Slufoot Super Smoker (smokeless capable) 1:20 twist back in 2011. I have also shot 440 grainers out of my .502 cal Knights and .502 cal NEF Huntsman 1:28 twist with 80 grains by VOLUME with excellent results. I did a lot of shooting, and testing different breech plugs and primers with Blackhorn 209 back in 2008 and 2009. I prefer my lead bullets sized .001" over the bore (lands) diameter, and use 1 or 2 Vegetable Fiber Gasket Wads, depending on what the load likes. I'm not recoil sensitive, and if you have ever shot a 3-1/2" 12 ga turkey load at a target more than once, you probably aren't either.

Someone mentioned time/pressure curves. Blackhorn 209 is not all that much different than Triple Se7en Loose Powder. Pellets are a whole nuther animal. Especially cracked/broken/crushed ones. Each horizontal line is another 5,000 psi.

Busta, you may want to copy this photo, which shows the 5,000 marks listed:

 
ENCORE50A said:
Busta said:
I've shot some big lead (460's and 488's IIRC) in my converted Knight .45 cal 1:20 twist and my White M-98 in .451 cal 1:20 twist w/209 conversion with Blackhorn 209 back in 2008 or 2009, but I cannot remember how high I went on powder. Would probably be in the 70-80 grains by VOLUME, which would equate to 49-56 grains by WEIGHT. I tested some 460 grainers in my .45 cal Slufoot Super Smoker (smokeless capable) 1:20 twist back in 2011. I have also shot 440 grainers out of my .502 cal Knights and .502 cal NEF Huntsman 1:28 twist with 80 grains by VOLUME with excellent results. I did a lot of shooting, and testing different breech plugs and primers with Blackhorn 209 back in 2008 and 2009. I prefer my lead bullets sized .001" over the bore (lands) diameter, and use 1 or 2 Vegetable Fiber Gasket Wads, depending on what the load likes. I'm not recoil sensitive, and if you have ever shot a 3-1/2" 12 ga turkey load at a target more than once, you probably aren't either.

Someone mentioned time/pressure curves. Blackhorn 209 is not all that much different than Triple Se7en Loose Powder. Pellets are a whole nuther animal. Especially cracked/broken/crushed ones. Each horizontal line is another 5,000 psi.

Busta, you may want to copy this photo, which shows the 5,000 listed:


The problem with that chart/copy is that the numbers are wrong. There is no 35kpsi and the top line is 40kpsi, not 45kpsi (not counting the top boarder line). I would rather have no information than the wrong information. Check it out, you'll see what I mean.
 
Busta said:
ENCORE50A said:
Busta said:
I've shot some big lead (460's and 488's IIRC) in my converted Knight .45 cal 1:20 twist and my White M-98 in .451 cal 1:20 twist w/209 conversion with Blackhorn 209 back in 2008 or 2009, but I cannot remember how high I went on powder. Would probably be in the 70-80 grains by VOLUME, which would equate to 49-56 grains by WEIGHT. I tested some 460 grainers in my .45 cal Slufoot Super Smoker (smokeless capable) 1:20 twist back in 2011. I have also shot 440 grainers out of my .502 cal Knights and .502 cal NEF Huntsman 1:28 twist with 80 grains by VOLUME with excellent results. I did a lot of shooting, and testing different breech plugs and primers with Blackhorn 209 back in 2008 and 2009. I prefer my lead bullets sized .001" over the bore (lands) diameter, and use 1 or 2 Vegetable Fiber Gasket Wads, depending on what the load likes. I'm not recoil sensitive, and if you have ever shot a 3-1/2" 12 ga turkey load at a target more than once, you probably aren't either.

Someone mentioned time/pressure curves. Blackhorn 209 is not all that much different than Triple Se7en Loose Powder. Pellets are a whole nuther animal. Especially cracked/broken/crushed ones. Each horizontal line is another 5,000 psi.

Busta, you may want to copy this photo, which shows the 5,000 listed:


The problem with that chart/copy is that the numbers are wrong. There is no 35kpsi and the top line is 40kpsi, not 45kpsi (not counting the top boarder line). I would rather have no information than the wrong information. Check it out, you'll see what I mean.

Repaired..............
 

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