First I wan't to thank every one on this forum for the wealth of information that's provided by this forum's member's. While not new to muzzle loading it never hurt's to listen to good advice. I had a problem with dirty primer's in my accura. After posting a question about it and several great response's I have cured it. The little rubber o ring was the answer. So I got a chance to shoot my accura today. Been trying to get the perfect load. After trying several proven load's from my T/C Triumph days I was completely frustrated, nothing was even close. So back to the drawing board, checking the threads on this site led me to the answer. I tried some Barnes T EZ 290 grain bullets with the supplied sabot's with a CCI magnum primer sitting on 100 grains of Blackhorn. Got a 3 inch group not bad but not good. Tried the same bullet same primer on 90 grains of Black Horn still not good. So I tried same bullet same primer and 110 grains of Black Horn. EUREKA Three holes all touching. Thinking it was a fluke I tried the same load again and got the same result's. I also tried the Hornady 250 grain Mono Flex bullets with the supplied sabot's using the same three powder measurement's and same primer's. The first thing i noticed was that the bullet's with the supplied red sabot's didn't seem to take as much effort with the ram rod to load as the Barnes had. The results showed on the target. Very enlarged group's. The best was the 90 grain load,4 inch group. So I tried the same powder load and primer and bullet and a Harvester Crushed Rib sabot. These real'y slid down the barrel with almost no effort on the ram rod and the grouping was terrible. I then tried some Harvester 300 grain Scorpion hollow point's using the same three powder increment's same primer and even worse result's. The group's looked like a shot gun pattern. rayer: These even loaded easier than the Hornady's. So for my accura I found that it likes the thicker sabot's supplied with the Barnes T EZ. I'm going to order some MMP HPH 24 sabot's and then try the Hornady's and the Harvestor scorpion's again. Only because the price of the Barne's being around a $1.30 a round. Hope it take's a week for them to get here because my shoulder need's time to stop hurting :lol: Thank's again for all the advice from the forum member's.