TC Shockwaves bullet concern

If you are sighted-in using Shockwaves, just change to either the 250 or 300gr XTP. Your target holes will not see any - or very little difference, either in windage or elevation.
Plus you will get better results on harvests and save money buying Harvester sabot 50-pks and bulk 50-pk XTP bullets. You don;t need the expensive bullets to claim deer. About 50+ million dead dear will love to testify that measely roundballs made them lifeless.

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livetohunt228 said:

2701jim said:

It is hard to beat the Barnes TEZ 250 grain. This should shoot well with 100 gr of 777 in a CVA Optima. Use the smooth black Harvester sabots. Just my 2 cents.

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2701jim, thanks for the response! I will definitely give these a look. I've heard them mentioned a few times now. What do you mean by use the smooth black harvester sabots? Is that the sleeve the bullet sits in? Like on the TC shockwaves I was using the bullet went into a yellow(not sure what they call it, lol) Sorry, I really am new to muzzleloading and am trying to figure everything out. Thanks again!

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Knight Bloodline Bullets 250 grain (comes with MMP HPH 24 sabots colored orange which work in my CVA very well):
https://www.knightrifles.com/product/bl ... r-bullets/

Blackhorn 209 Powder:
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Blackhor ... ing-Powder

Powder Spout for 209 PowderContainer:
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Thompson ... s?slotId=0

Powder Measure:
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Western Powders Breech Plugs for CVA Rifles (for shooting 209 powder):
https://www.westernpowders.com/breech_plugs

Winchester 209 Primers (longer than most to reduce blowby):
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Winchest ... ers/741163

You don't have to spend the money to harvest a deer, but as I have read here "buy once, cry once".

I would suggest 100-110 grains of powder.

P

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livetohunt228 said:

Is the bloodline a type of bullet? If so, who makes it and what grain can you get it in? I have a 50 caliber muzzleloader(CVA)and am looking for recommendations for a solid performing bullet. I shoot 100 grains(2 pellets)of 777. What grain bullet should I shoot? I was shooting the 250 grain in the Shockwaves which I've made up my mind that I'm not going to go with them again even though it did get the job done. Is 777 the best on the market? CVA actually recommends White Hots and the PowerBelt Aerotip bullet. Is this a good combination? Sorry if I sound clueless... It's because I am. Lol! Trying to figure out what bullet and powder/pellet combo to try. Looking for accuracy out to 100 yards shooting 100 grains of power/pellets and something that's going to hit hard and leave some decent blood. I understand it's all about shot placement to get all that. Any advice would be greatly helpful! Thanks!

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they recommend all that crap cause they manufacture it.

Nothing wrong with 777 although I prefer black horn. Forget the power belts you can do much better. In my Optima I shoot 100 grns black horn powder and a fullbore 300 grn Thor with a Federal 209A primer.

Use the SMOOTH Black Harvester vs the CRUSH Rib Black Harvester sabots. If they load too tight ( which they should not) then try the CRUSH Rib Harvesters. The Crush ribs have small ridges along the outside of the sabot to assist loading in a tight bore.

I can't thank you all enough for all the great information and suggestions. Very helpful and greatly appreciated!!

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phenix78_99 said:

livetohunt228 said:

2701jim said:

It is hard to beat the Barnes TEZ 250 grain. This should shoot well with 100 gr of 777 in a CVA Optima. Use the smooth black Harvester sabots. Just my 2 cents.

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2701jim, thanks for the response! I will definitely give these a look. I've heard them mentioned a few times now. What do you mean by use the smooth black harvester sabots? Is that the sleeve the bullet sits in? Like on the TC shockwaves I was using the bullet went into a yellow(not sure what they call it, lol) Sorry, I really am new to muzzleloading and am trying to figure everything out. Thanks again!

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Knight Bloodline Bullets 250 grain (comes with MMP HPH 24 sabots colored orange which work in my CVA very well):
https://www.knightrifles.com/product/bl ... r-bullets/

Blackhorn 209 Powder:
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Blackhor ... ing-Powder

Powder Spout for 209 PowderContainer:
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Thompson ... s?slotId=0

Powder Measure:
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Thompson ... ure/734695

Western Powders Breech Plugs for CVA Rifles (for shooting 209 powder):
https://www.westernpowders.com/breech_plugs

Winchester 209 Primers (longer than most to reduce blowby):
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Winchest ... ers/741163

You don't have to spend the money to harvest a deer, but as I have read here "buy once, cry once".

I would suggest 100-110 grains of powder.

P

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Thanks for all this information and even going as far as putting the links in there. It truly is appreciated! Have a great holiday!!

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They’re a great shooting bullet, very accurate. I used them for several years and dropped a lot of deer on the spot anywhere between 50 and 150 yardsbut if you didn’t watch it drop, the blood trail was pretty poor. I shot my first deer with the tmz this last weekend. It was a poor shot hit liver and stomach but I had a good blood trail and was able to recover after about a 350 yard track.

Barnes knows how to make good blood-trail bullets. Lehigh / Underwood are on Barnes tail and closing-in fast.

For many years i used the 250 grain SST and the 250 grain Shockwave interchangeably. Killed about 25 deer and dozens of wild hogs with those bullets. i discontinued the use the 250 grain Shockwave for reasons i will get into.

So long as i was using 130-150 grains of Pyrodex powder there was no difference in the performance of those bullets. When the powder charges were lowered to a maximum of 100 grains i started seeing a difference. The 250 grain SST would expand every time, the 250 grain Shockwave, not so much. The 250 grain SST bullet has a very soft red plastic nose; The 250 grain Shockwave has a very hard yellow plastic nose. That nose can make a big difference in how the bullets perform. Additionally, there is a bonded shockwave with a hard plastic nose. i will not use the bonded Shockwave.

In a side by side comparison, i fired the 250 grain SST and the 250 grain Shockwave into the clay berm at my firing range using 100 measured grains of Black MZ powder. The distance was 78 measured yards. The SST expanded every time, The Shockwave seldom expanded fully, sometimes it did not expand at all.

i used to track wounded deer and elk for other hunters: Yep, most were gut shot. In many cases the hunter could not pinpoint where the animal was standing when shot. i remember finding an eight foot trail of blood and lung tissue where one hunters bullet exited the deer. Deer and hogs seldom travel far after being hit in both lungs. Deer hit high often leave no blood trail. Ditto for a deer hit in the guts.

This year i shot two deer with the 250 grain SST bullet. One bang flopped and the other went about 80 yards, leaving no blood trail.

That's been the consensus. SSTs expand better than the Shockwaves overall.

I was told the SST and the shockwave (both made by hornady) was the same bullet with just different color polymer tip? Bullet construction and process is exactly the same.

After seeing the first hand performance of the 250gr Lehigh/Bloodline bullets on two deer this year, I wouldn't care if they cost $5 a bullet... for hunting, they are worth it. Absolutely devastating.

I was told the SST and the shockwave (both made by hornady) was the same bullet with just different color polymer tip?

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Someone told you wrong. It's more than just a color, i've used hundreds of both bullets. i will say again: The 250 grain SST has a very soft tip, the Shockwave has a very hard tip. That hard tip sometimes causes the bullet to pencil through an animal without expanding.

BTW: The newer Hornady bullets have that same very soft tip.

TC formerly sold another bullet with a very hard tip, called the PTX. It had a horrible reputation on deer and elk.

I like the idea behind the Lehigh but every picture Ive seen of a deer shot with them looked like it bloodshot a whole bunch of the front end.. There's no doubt they work but I like them dead just not too dead..
I've shot a lot of deer and those bullets do an exceptional amount of damage but its almost overkill.

WV Hunter said:

After seeing the first hand performance of the 250gr Lehigh/Bloodline bullets on two deer this year, I wouldn't care if they cost $5 a bullet... for hunting, they are worth it. Absolutely devastating.

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I have used many of the bullets on the market, the SST, Shock Wave and FTX are consistently the most accurate the Bloodline is without question the most effective terminally the are a couple of Barnes that come in a close second.
The one thing that is most important about a blood trail is where you hit the deer and having enough velocity for the bullet you chose to work properly.
The second thing is a exit especially if you use a tree stand.
And last but not least I have followed blood trails for other people that were quite plain to me and they could not find them.

WV Hunter said:

After seeing the first hand performance of the 250gr Lehigh/Bloodline bullets on two deer this year, I wouldn't care if they cost $5 a bullet... for hunting, they are worth it. Absolutely devastating.

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:yeah:

As far as bloodshot meat, I lost no more this year than I did last year using Barnes Expanders, although YMMV.

yeah Barnes bullets are the same way, do a ton of damage.. my buddy used them for years and swore by them and every deer he shot thru the shoulders they almost always ruined both front quarters or you at least had to spend triple the time cleaning bloodshot meat..

phenix78_99 said:

WV Hunter said:

After seeing the first hand performance of the 250gr Lehigh/Bloodline bullets on two deer this year, I wouldn't care if they cost $5 a bullet... for hunting, they are worth it. Absolutely devastating.

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:yeah:

As far as bloodshot meat, I lost no more this year than I did last year using Barnes Expanders, although YMMV.

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I don't have a lot of experience with the Bloodlines on game yet but took 2 last year. Both shot at around 80 - 85 yards through the lungs and don't recall any Blood shot meat. :huh?: Was the blood shot meat you speak of from a shoulder shot with the bloodline?

Again if you shoot them in the right place they will normally go down inside 50 yards without any bloodshot meat, and if you shoot them in the meat it will be bloodshot unless you use a bullet that pencils then they will run much further.
Speaking of penciling, if you are shooting the bullet at the FPS that it was designed for they generally work quite well. The bullets designed for muzzleloaders are designed for modern inlines and heavy loads the only one that works well at lower velocity is the Bloodline.
If someone must use those 70 and 80 grain loads then they should use Bloodline or pistol bullets that will work at those velocities.