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White Mountain Carbine

Postby JStanley » Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:35 pm

I need the experts' opinion of the value of a T/C White Mountain Carbine. Looks like it has only been fired a couple of times and then shelved. Serial # 371XX, barrel is shiny, 1:20 twist. Bluing is in excellent condition with very light corrosion around the nipple area only. I ran an oiled cloth over it and the few specks of rust wiped right off leaving a few tiny pits that really don't attract much attention. The tang is held in place with two wood screws and the stock in this area has no evidence of cracking. I'm guessing this needs an upgrade. Overall, it's a pretty little rifle that looks like it would be really fun to shoot so let me know what you think is a fair price and also any experiences good or bad you've had with it.

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Re: White Mountain Carbine

Postby JStanley » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:30 am

I found some good info searching the forum. I believe this would be a nice rifle. Seller is asking $190. Is this a good price?
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Re: White Mountain Carbine

Postby cayuga » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:28 pm

I do not own one. Believe that or not. And the reason is, most people that have them hang on to them. They are said to be good conical and sabot shooters. Also if you hunt thickets, trees, and areas where shots are close.. you will be appreciative of the benefits of a carbine. I think the price for a good condition T/C Side lock rifle is very fair. These traditional QUALITY rifles are getting rare. And when you do sell them it seems people are willing to pay top dollar for them.
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Re: White Mountain Carbine

Postby hawk_driver » Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:57 pm

I had one in .54, it was a 1-48. I was told or read that TC made them in 1-48 and also a faster twist, somewhere around 1-28. That stuck in my mind about the White Mountain Carbine, you couldn't be sure what the twist was. When I sold it, the guy that bought it was cautious to ensure it was a 1-48. We both belonged to the same gun club and I let him shoot a group of round ball loads through it.
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Re: White Mountain Carbine

Postby cayuga » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:27 pm

According to the T/C Barrel Twist chart...

The .45 caliber was 1-48RH
The .50 caliber was 1-38RH
The .54 caliber was 1-48RH
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Re: White Mountain Carbine

Postby JStanley » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:41 pm

cayuga wrote:According to the T/C Barrel Twist chart...

The .45 caliber was 1-48RH
The .50 caliber was 1-38RH
The .54 caliber was 1-48RH


I read somewhere that earlier .50 cal models had 1:20 twist so I brought a little ziploc with a jag, a bore light, some patches and a small bottle of oil with me to check everything out. It made exactly 1/2 turn of the ramrod in 10". I bet it would shoot the 460 gr. Noexcuse conical lights out. If I buy it, I'll probably glass bed the tang area to prevent any cracking. I've read some posts where guys have experienced cracking in that area of the stock where the front tang screw is the wood screw variety.

Cayuga, I definitely like the feel of it and would really appreciate its handling in the thick stuff.
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Re: White Mountain Carbine

Postby cayuga » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:16 pm

I had read the same thing about the early models having the fast twist. BUT I just quotes the barrel Chart T/C has. You might be right. As for whether it would shoot a no excuse.. my model 97 White .451 I think is 1-20 or 1-24 and that is a conical shooting machine.

I read an article about a person hunting with a White Mountain and he put a scope on it and was shooting all sorts of fast twist projectiles and discovered it was very accurate.
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Re: White Mountain Carbine

Postby Edwardamason » Wed May 15, 2013 2:05 pm

THE WMC is one of my favorite tradition ML to shoot. Handles great in the woods and shoots great. Ive found that .452 sabots and 100 Gr Pyrodex shoot great as well as 100 gr Pyrodex and conicals shoot well too.

Some of my fondest hunts have been with the WMC. Its a real game getter!
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Re: White Mountain Carbine

Postby cayuga » Wed May 15, 2013 2:13 pm

To be honest... I never could find one to purchase that I wanted.. so I built my own kind of.

I purchased a 21 inch 1-28 twist Green Mountain Barrel in flintlock. This barrel fits my T/C Hawkens rifle. And it shoots a 240 grain XTP with amazing accuracy. Talk about easy to carry and to point. But maybe its my eyes.. since it is not scoped.. I just can not hold any accuracy out past say... 60 yards. Out to 50 yards, it is deadly. And where I hunt my shots are 35 yards or less, usually less, and if walking its normally a brown streak moving through the thickets.. but it sure is nice to carry and swing on target. I think every one should own a carbine or two, or in my case several.. :D
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Re: White Mountain Carbine

Postby Edwardamason » Thu May 16, 2013 5:35 pm

cayuga wrote:To be honest... I never could find one to purchase that I wanted.. so I built my own kind of.

I purchased a 21 inch 1-28 twist Green Mountain Barrel in flintlock. This barrel fits my T/C Hawkens rifle. And it shoots a 240 grain XTP with amazing accuracy. Talk about easy to carry and to point. But maybe its my eyes.. since it is not scoped.. I just can not hold any accuracy out past say... 60 yards. Out to 50 yards, it is deadly. And where I hunt my shots are 35 yards or less, usually less, and if walking its normally a brown streak moving through the thickets.. but it sure is nice to carry and swing on target. I think every one should own a carbine or two, or in my case several.. :D

I have no issues holding a 3 inch group at 100 yards with mine. About 8 inch groups at 150 if I do my part. Well outside what I consider the usuable range of the ML but probably would not hesitate to take a shot out to 150 yards if I got a good broadside shot.

Most of the Green Mountain barrels I have shot will do far better than that if you work up the right load.

Ive said this before and it often bears repeating. Ive had much better luck all round with the .452 grain bullets and even better luck with the .458 bullets than I have the .451 grain saboted bullets. If your not geting the results you desire at 60+ yards you might want to consider switching to some .458 with Harvester sabots and see what happens for you.
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