Bullet seating force using blackhorn 209 with saboted bullets

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I was at the range last week shooting the shooter next to me says "man you really lean on that rod", I usually try to put 100 lbs of pressure on the bullet , estimated. I was wandering what pressure the top shooters use? Does the load have any springback?

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I emailed Western Powders one time and asked them how much pressure it would take to crush BH. They said they didn't know and not to worry about it. When I load I seat the bullet and give one good hard firm push. It appears BH can be packed tightly only to a certain point. More pressure than necessary gains nothing but also doesn't hurt. Someone posted that ALL powders can be crushed. This is not true with BH. I have examined BH after packing as tightly as I can by hand and saw no evidence of crushing. I doubt there is any or very little springback and wouldn't matter. Just my opinion.
 
Thank you rangerod, that gives me a different outlook now. Ill try just a firm seating, instead of leaning on the bench rod. The proof will be in the groups,

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I give mine a very firm seating, but no pounding or ramming, just steady pressure. We can differentiate some from the force it takes to slide the projectile down. The bore fit with the saboted bullet(or whatever) should be just right, not to tight or loose.

No I don't use a torque wrench on lug nuts either, just go with my 'calibrated' shoulder. I don't see how a 'firm seating' would do anything to change or crush the powder.
 
Re: RE: Bullet seating force using blackhorn 209 with saboted bullets

herschel conyers said:
I was at the range last week shooting the shooter next to me says "man you really lean on that rod", I usually try to put 100 lbs of pressure on the bullet , estimated. I was wandering what pressure the top shooters use? Does the load have any springback?

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I'm not going to say who I talked to but he is a top shooter and he puts a very light pressure on his bullets as well as me he said the 209 needs air in between the powder to burn properly

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I give it an extra push to make very sure the bullet is seated on the powder and always use a witness mark, that mark has saved my bacon a few times Being consistent is the key I size all my bullets to insure that they are all the same, if one goes down hard while another goes down easy this can hurt accuracy
 
Appears using Pellets is Not the same as loose powder if you read this and you could buy loose T7 or Pyrodex yet this Thread says You Are Not To Crush Pellets that Again Contradictions why most Mark their Ranm Rods to get the Sabot / Projectile seats again any Powder!
https://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/threads/weigh-your-powder.437/page-2#post-273418

Depends on who is loading and shooting as I would Not want a Gap between Any Powder Pellet Or Loose Powder...
LFM
 
Did get to experiment with different seating pressures, conclusion is that it made no difference in group sizes using 20 lbs or 80 lbs. Point of impact was the same.
 
Using the 209powder and mostly green crush ribs or green harvesters I just snug the load well but not so much as to flex the rod. I have no idea how much pressure I am applying but I never have any issues. Most of the problems I have with my shooting are ME related in my advancing age. Todays guns, even the relatively inexpensive entry level guns, and components are much like todays cell phones....they care capable of way more that what the average user is able to extract from them.
 

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