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i'm using tiny pics just just like i have before
went over to dwb's form and it worked thier
upload
 
BP - I copied and reposted your post... now I need to figure out why they would not post for you...

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bp45cal said:
I went shooting to verify some zero's for Ed {we both have White 98 Elite's and he so kindly sent me some bullets to shoot}but i used the wrong powder :wall: :wall: {i used 777 2f and not 777 3f :wall: :oops: } so i'm gunna have to do it all again oh deer more shooting.I shot about 30 rounds,just load n shoot then repeat.

Here are acouple of groups from that shoot.
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Shot #1 5 1/2 inches to the R adjusted scope n shot 4 more
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The 2 groups are shot at well over 100 yards with wind blowing 5 to 15 mph the other was closer

Now for a poll at what distance are these 2 groups acceptable for hunting :think: :think:
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I will say the shooter will have an output similar to the amount of effort they input. Can I take pretty much any inline with a box of Pyrojunk pellets and just about any sabot and hit within 10 MOA at 50 yards? Sure and that will kill the majority of deer taken with a ML this year. A 250 yard shot with a ML is not like a 250 yard shot with a centerfire rifle. With the wind drift and rate of drop, it is more on the lines of a 500 yard shot with a centerfire rifle. For example, my Omega setup with a 100 yard zero will drop 4 MOA at 200 yards (8"). The drop at 250 yards is 7 MOA (17.5"). With wind deflection for a full value 10 mph wind, it blows the bullet 4.5 MOA (9") at 200 yards and 5.75" (14") at 250 yards. So precise range and wind drift estimations are critical at distances beyond 200 yards. The casual shooter that does not know the ins and outs of their equipment will have used a lot of luck if they are successful at long range with a ML right of the bat. You get out what you put into it.
 
you never said what sights you were using at well over 100, for open sights thats about par. That can be improved some with peeps. If that was with a scope, Id be looking for a problem somewhere. (mounts, bases..etc)
One of the biggest things with ML accuracy is just consistency, Load exactly the same way every time. This way you are removing as many variables as possible in your quest to find "Is this better or worse". Right down to how much pressure you use to seat the bullet on the powder, same thing every time.
 
the bottom pic is the 3 shot 100 yrd group the hole above it was first shot,i ajusted scope to drop it 2"down then shot 3 shots {1 1/2"group}
the 8 shot group was shot at 180 yrds the other group is a 200yrd group
the bullet is a 465 grain conical bullet sized right to .451
as i said this was a load i was doping bullet drop for someone my rifle shoots better then the posted pics with the load it likes
 
With the load listed in my signature I would feel very comfortable taking a shot out to 175 yards. I have it sighted in 3" high at 100 yards and it shoots 1" groups. I agree with you in that with open sights I wouldn't shoot past 100. Hope this helps.
 
My "new to me" used rifle was shot a couple times today. I bought it from a lady who's husband had passed a couple years ago. After cleaning it up and obtaining some necessities, I was ready today. I ........ assumed...... that the original owner had sighted it in and that it couldn't be that far off. That said, I didn't move the bench and left it right at 100yds. I loaded the .50 Hawken with 90grs of 2f, a .490 ball with a pre-lubed patch and settled on the rest. After three (3) eye surgeries, two on my shoot'n eye, I was hoping I could see the open sights and the target. Things worked out better than expected. I fired four (4) rounds at 100yds. I may use it behind the house this year, as shots will be NO MORE than 60yds.

Never fired this rifle before and after all these eye surgeries, I'm quite happy with the group. The first round on target is the hole to the right.

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ENCORE50A said:
My "new to me" used rifle was shot a couple times today. I bought it from a lady who's husband had passed a couple years ago. After cleaning it up and obtaining some necessities, I was ready today. I ........ assumed...... that the original owner had sighted it in and that it couldn't be that far off. That said, I didn't move the bench and left it right at 100yds. I loaded the .50 Hawken with 90grs of 2f, a .490 ball with a pre-lubed patch and settled on the rest. After three (3) eye surgeries, two on my shoot'n eye, I was hoping I could see the open sights and the target. Things worked out better than expected. I fired four (4) rounds at 100yds. I may use it behind the house this year, as shots will be NO MORE than 60yds.

Never fired this rifle before and after all these eye surgeries, I'm quite happy with the group. The first round on target is the hole to the right.

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Ditka....... Don't expect the following as an answer to your original question. I've shot 10's of thousands of rounds from a muzzleloader over the last 40 years. If anything......... this only proves that even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile.........

My "new to me" used rifle was shot a couple times today. I bought it from a lady who's husband had passed a couple years ago. After cleaning it up and obtaining some necessities, I was ready today. I ........ assumed...... that the original owner had sighted it in and that it couldn't be that far off. That said, I didn't move the bench and left it right at 100yds. I loaded the .50 Hawken with 90grs of 2f, a .490 ball with a pre-lubed patch and settled on the rest. After three (3) eye surgeries, two on my shoot'n eye, I was hoping I could see the open sights and the target. Things worked out better than expected. I fired four (4) rounds at 100yds. I may use it behind the house this year, as shots will be NO MORE than 60yds.

Never fired this rifle before and after all these eye surgeries, I'm quite happy with the group. The first round on target is the hole to the right.

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cayuga said:
For me it depends on if the rifle is scoped or open sights. I have noticed my eyes playing lots of trick as I got older. In fact I have a floater now, so my shooting is greatly decreased........ .
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I know its off the post and don't mean to hijack it but, PLEASE DON'T take that floater lightly and keep close track of that eye. Mine started a year ago summer and it was just a single that appeared and then disappeared. Then on night fishing walleye, a few more floaters started, one which light reflected from. I thought it was something hanging off the bill of my hat. They more or less settled down until last March, when I was out ice fishing and thought it was snowing black snowflakes. They really jarred loose that time. In the morning I had what I first thought was a large fuzz ball on my cheek and there was nothing there. A trip to the emergency room (Sunday) and I had to meet the eye doctor at his office. Unfortunately I was told I needed immediate surgery, as the retina detached and had a large horse shoe tear. The next day a retinal specialist looked it over and the next day I had surgery. Had that and the retinal surgeon stated that I'd end up with a "rapidly growing cataract". Rapidly I guess...... I went completely blind in the eye in three weeks..... my shoot'n eye. I spent from March 12th until July 29th blind in the eye, when the retinal surgeon finally gave approval for the cataract surgery. While the cataract doctor was at it, two weeks later he did the left eye.

So....... Please don't take that floater lightly. If it gets worse, make an appointment with the Opthamologist quickly. I'm lucky that it healed excellent and the tear wasn't in the center of my vision. I just shot my first rounds of the year...
 
Well I decided to order a CVA Optima V2 from Muzzle-loaders.com that came with the scope and case for $368. On a recommendation from fellow member Encore50A I loaded up 110 grains of Blackhorn 209 and a Barnes T-EZ Sabot. Prior to shooting I checked the scope mounts considering they were mounted from the factory. They were loose so I tightened them up. Shot at 50 yards and adjusted the scope as necessary. Backed up to 100 yards and made more adjustments. Got it dialed in to the point my last 3 shots had 2 almost inside the other and the last one about 1/4 inch away. My only problem is that during shooting I noticed the eye relief was off but I was using a lead sled and figured it was due to the extra distance. As I looked closer I noticed that the scope shifted. Even though I tightened the mounts they must not have been tight enough. So now I need to re adjust the scope to the proper eye relief, tighten, and re shoot. I have to say that CVA is a sweet shooter and easy to use. I never have fired my Knight but like the CVA so much I am just going to sell the Knight so if anyone is looking for a Knight DISC Elite with a Lehigh conversion shoot me a message. I guess I now answered my realistic accuracy question and I am impressed.
 
I was surprised at how well the CVA and load combination worked. It was amazingly accurate. From reading some of the previous posts and comments I was expecting I would be lucky hit a pie plate group at a 100 yards.
 
I shoot a CVA Optima. It has a 3-9x40 scope on it. And like you, the accuracy of that rifle is amazing. For a $200.00 rifle, that thing shoots like a million bucks. Although I did add the scope, and a $22.00 BlackHorn 209 breech plug. But so far it shoots almost anything I want to try.

So your accuracy, while not surprising, is a good indication of what CVA rifles are able to do.
 
cayuga said:
I shoot a CVA Optima. It has a 3-9x40 scope on it. And like you, the accuracy of that rifle is amazing. For a $200.00 rifle, that thing shoots like a million bucks. Although I did add the scope, and a $22.00 BlackHorn 209 breech plug. But so far it shoots almost anything I want to try.

So your accuracy, while not surprising, is a good indication of what CVA rifles are able to do.
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I had to look up my posting history recently about my comments about the CVA Optima and realized it was your Review of the Optima that promted me to order one of these up for evaluation.

I had heard so many good reports about the CVA optima that it was hard to belive that CVA after years of building Junk Rifles suddenly started building great Muzzleloaders. I wanted to buy one of these for myself and put it through my own testesing. So I ordered one up.

There are certainly some shortcomings on the Optima and Wolf I would correct but I say that about most Muzzleloaders. CVA does seem to be listening and correcting some of the shortcomings. I think the next step for CVA and the Optima is to improve the standanrd stock options with perhaps some metal sling studs. Perhaps a Stock option with spacers for adjustable LOP. Perhaps a rounded forarm instead of a square forarm althought the square one does work really well on the bench. Updateding the Wolf to the V2 trigger release seems like a no brainer. Not heard many complaints about the Thumbhole stocks so I guess those guys are happy with that platform. I am sure a adjustable LOP like TC has would be desirable there as well.

I would also like for CVA to introduce the MR Ml in SS only and forget about offering it with some sort of finish as the finish they are using seems to be problematic.

Other than that it seems to be all Kittens and Ponies in CVA land.
 

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