Traditions timber ridge.. still good?

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Hey guys, I just got a muzzleloader from a guy at work for cheap. (Traditions timber ridge .50) The gun looks awesome outside but the inside of the barrel didn't look so great. He said he cleaned it but when I got it, it was pretty "brown" inside and I cleaned as much of the rust as I could yesterday. I started out scrubbing the barrel with a brass brush then cleaned it with wet patches using Thompson center bore cleaner. Then I dry patched it a bunch until the patches would come out white. Then put the bore butter to it. (Spent a couple hours doing this) Today I got out of work and did the same. Barrel still has a little brownish color coming out of it when I try to clean it but nothing like it was. Should I keep doing this? Or should I be doing something else? I wish I could take a better pic of the barrel but this is all I got so far. I'd like to make use of it if I can. I have a few others I can shoot but the gun is in really good shape other then the inside of the barrel

Pics of the gun
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The patches after the first cleaning
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The barrel after the first cleaning
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Re: Traditions timber ridge.. still good?

That is an old hammer/striker model rifle. Not that it makes them bad. Just older technology. I shoot a number of Hammer/striker model inline rifles and love them. And this might not agree with a lot of people what I am about to post, and that's fine. All opinions are welcome. But here goes...

First thing is get that bore butter out of that rifle! That stuff is a good conical lube but other then that it smells nice. It just does not work good in your rifle. Remember your rifle is made of top grade steel. Also there are products out there that can do a much better job of protection for your rifle and not something that is going to fill the lands and grooves on an already "in trouble" rifle bore. An easy way to remove the bore butter is boil the barrel. Take the barrel out of the stock. Boil water in a coffee pot, tea kettle, what every you can pour from. Take the barrel outside. Have some leather gloves with you. A ramrod with a good brass brush, and some dish soap. Put a squirt of dish soap down the bore. Now fill it with boiling water. Let that soap and water sit a couple minutes to "cool down." Now with your gloves on, pour the water and soap out of the barrel You will see the bore butter floating out. Add a little more water. And with your gloves on! Use that bore brush up and down in the bore to scrub out all that junk! Fill the barrel with water again. Let it sit. Add more water. Let it sit a few minutes to see if more wax is coming out of the barrel. Bore butter is wax mostly. Wax is for furniture and cars to make them shine. Not to protect them from rusting. Now dump the water out of the bore again.

Start running dry patches on a jag up and down the bore. If you have some brake cleaner around. Remember barrel so out of the stock. Give a good blast of it down the bore of that rifle. Now start with the patches again. After and if the bore comes clean apply a quality gun oil, like you'd use on your modern rifles, and swab the bore good. That hot barrel will pull that oil into the bore and pours of the metal in there.

Buy yourself a product called JB Bore Paste. Have a good supply of patches made up. Apply that Bore paste to the patch and work that down and up in the bore of that rifle for 25 strokes. A stroke is down and up. Then throw that out and do the same thing again with another patch for 25 strokes. I like to give a bad barrel 100 strokes. Now take that barrel outside and fill it with boiling water. Don't forget your gloves. Dump that and do it again. Now take the barrel somewhat and with isopropyl alcohol or something like Birchwood Casey Bore Scrubber, swab that bore until the patches come out as clean as they will. The bore paste will pull the hard to get rust out of the pours and grooves. It will also smooth out ruff spots. The washing of the bore and the Bore Scrubber will clean out the bore paste. After the barrel is clean, again.. a good gun oil on a patch and swab that bore. You want to use a good gun oil. Birchwood Casey Barricade, Montana Extreme Gun Oil, Barastol, Breakfree CLP ... all very good gun oils. And to get them out before you shoot, all you need do is swab with an isopropyl alcohol patch or Bore Scrubber. Then a dry patch or two and your good to load and shoot.
 
Re: Traditions timber ridge.. still good?

I was given a rifle in that kind of shape. I was given it because the owner called it junk and figured I could use parts off it. I cleaned that rifle the same way although I even gave it a short lapping too. But I got that rifle as clean as it will get. I still get a gray patch out of it from time to time. But the rifle that was called junk can hit a penny taped to cardboard at 30 yards with open sights. When the man that gave it to me saw me shooting it one afternoon he asked me, "Is that my rifle?" and I told him, "Nope, its my rifle." It is a good shooter but I did have to lower the powder charge a little to get it accurate. I think that is because of the poor treatment the rifle got. But with 70 grain of 2f powder and a round ball it is a tack driver. Its now my loaner rifle. When someone comes to "Borrow" a rifle that's the one they get. Its not pretty, but as I tell them... its a shooter.
 
cayuga said:
That is an old hammer/striker model rifle. Not that it makes them bad. Just older technology. I shoot a number of Hammer/striker model inline rifles and love them. And this might not agree with a lot of people what I am about to post, and that's fine. All opinions are welcome. But here goes...

First thing is get that bore butter out of that rifle! That stuff is a good conical lube but other then that it smells nice. It just does not work good in your rifle. Remember your rifle is made of top grade steel. Also there are products out there that can do a much better job of protection for your rifle and not something that is going to fill the lands and grooves on an already "in trouble" rifle bore. An easy way to remove the bore butter is boil the barrel. Take the barrel out of the stock. Boil water in a coffee pot, tea kettle, what every you can pour from. Take the barrel outside. Have some leather gloves with you. A ramrod with a good brass brush, and some dish soap. Put a squirt of dish soap down the bore. Now fill it with boiling water. Let that soap and water sit a couple minutes to "cool down." Now with your gloves on, pour the water and soap out of the barrel You will see the bore butter floating out. Add a little more water. And with your gloves on! Use that bore brush up and down in the bore to scrub out all that junk! Fill the barrel with water again. Let it sit. Add more water. Let it sit a few minutes to see if more wax is coming out of the barrel. Bore butter is wax mostly. Wax is for furniture and cars to make them shine. Not to protect them from rusting. Now dump the water out of the bore again.

Start running dry patches on a jag up and down the bore. If you have some brake cleaner around. Remember barrel so out of the stock. Give a good blast of it down the bore of that rifle. Now start with the patches again. After and if the bore comes clean apply a quality gun oil, like you'd use on your modern rifles, and swab the bore good. That hot barrel will pull that oil into the bore and pours of the metal in there.

Buy yourself a product called JB Bore Paste. Have a good supply of patches made up. Apply that Bore paste to the patch and work that down and up in the bore of that rifle for 25 strokes. A stroke is down and up. Then throw that out and do the same thing again with another patch for 25 strokes. I like to give a bad barrel 100 strokes. Now take that barrel outside and fill it with boiling water. Don't forget your gloves. Dump that and do it again. Now take the barrel somewhat and with isopropyl alcohol or something like Birchwood Casey Bore Scrubber, swab that bore until the patches come out as clean as they will. The bore paste will pull the hard to get rust out of the pours and grooves. It will also smooth out ruff spots. The washing of the bore and the Bore Scrubber will clean out the bore paste. After the barrel is clean, again.. a good gun oil on a patch and swab that bore. You want to use a good gun oil. Birchwood Casey Barricade, Montana Extreme Gun Oil, Barastol, Breakfree CLP ... all very good gun oils. And to get them out before you shoot, all you need do is swab with an isopropyl alcohol patch or Bore Scrubber. Then a dry patch or two and your good to load and shoot.

Jesus Cayuga you've got some time on your hands. Lol. I've never been
Let down with your advice so il take that advice and put it to use. I appreciate the help. I need to get me some supplies lol.


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cayuga said:
That is an old hammer/striker model rifle. Not that it makes them bad. Just older technology. I shoot a number of Hammer/striker model inline rifles and love them. And this might not agree with a lot of people what I am about to post, and that's fine. All opinions are welcome. But here goes...

First thing is get that bore butter out of that rifle! That stuff is a good conical lube but other then that it smells nice. It just does not work good in your rifle. Remember your rifle is made of top grade steel. Also there are products out there that can do a much better job of protection for your rifle and not something that is going to fill the lands and grooves on an already "in trouble" rifle bore. An easy way to remove the bore butter is boil the barrel. Take the barrel out of the stock. Boil water in a coffee pot, tea kettle, what every you can pour from. Take the barrel outside. Have some leather gloves with you. A ramrod with a good brass brush, and some dish soap. Put a squirt of dish soap down the bore. Now fill it with boiling water. Let that soap and water sit a couple minutes to "cool down." Now with your gloves on, pour the water and soap out of the barrel You will see the bore butter floating out. Add a little more water. And with your gloves on! Use that bore brush up and down in the bore to scrub out all that junk! Fill the barrel with water again. Let it sit. Add more water. Let it sit a few minutes to see if more wax is coming out of the barrel. Bore butter is wax mostly. Wax is for furniture and cars to make them shine. Not to protect them from rusting. Now dump the water out of the bore again.

Start running dry patches on a jag up and down the bore. If you have some brake cleaner around. Remember barrel so out of the stock. Give a good blast of it down the bore of that rifle. Now start with the patches again. After and if the bore comes clean apply a quality gun oil, like you'd use on your modern rifles, and swab the bore good. That hot barrel will pull that oil into the bore and pours of the metal in there.

Buy yourself a product called JB Bore Paste. Have a good supply of patches made up. Apply that Bore paste to the patch and work that down and up in the bore of that rifle for 25 strokes. A stroke is down and up. Then throw that out and do the same thing again with another patch for 25 strokes. I like to give a bad barrel 100 strokes. Now take that barrel outside and fill it with boiling water. Don't forget your gloves. Dump that and do it again. Now take the barrel somewhat and with isopropyl alcohol or something like Birchwood Casey Bore Scrubber, swab that bore until the patches come out as clean as they will. The bore paste will pull the hard to get rust out of the pours and grooves. It will also smooth out ruff spots. The washing of the bore and the Bore Scrubber will clean out the bore paste. After the barrel is clean, again.. a good gun oil on a patch and swab that bore. You want to use a good gun oil. Birchwood Casey Barricade, Montana Extreme Gun Oil, Barastol, Breakfree CLP ... all very good gun oils. And to get them out before you shoot, all you need do is swab with an isopropyl alcohol patch or Bore Scrubber. Then a dry patch or two and your good to load and shoot.

Jesus Cayuga you've got some time on your hands. Lol. I've never been
Let down with your advice so il take that advice and put it to use. I appreciate the help. I need to get me some supplies lol.


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It's just hard to do the right thing when doing research on this stuff because just when you think you found good advice it actually turns out to be a bad thing, there's so many people out there with good/bad advice but I trust your work my friend, seen a lot of your posts and trust your techniques. Everyone I talk to around here swear on the bore butter and others like to make they're own but I don't know how to do that so I go with what I've access to locally but willing to try others if it means saving my gun.


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Well I ended up selling this gun off, but I did take some advice from a fellow member and got myself some "wd40 specialist" rust release and put it to the test on my older cva hawken rifle. Let me say this stuff really works.
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