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Lee Shavers Soule Tang Peep

Postby Idaholewis » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:48 pm

Any of you guys use the Lee Shavers Economy long range Soule tang peep? Been looking at one for a Muzzleloader, On his website Shavers himself says they are 90% all the sight a guy needs, i guess that is enough info in it’s own. Just curious what you guys think of the sight? He sells a higher price, fancier sight, but for my intended use i am not sure it’s needed? My intentions are to get out to 800, maybe even a 1000 yards depending on my eye sight? Also what is the setup like? I have never set a Soule type sight up, I understand they need to be shimmed, etc. for Kant/lean, Any info is appreciated
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Re: Lee Shavers Soule Tang Peep

Postby 45cal » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:37 am

Better off with Baldwin or Kelly , Mva. That is what most of long range shooters use.

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Re: Lee Shavers Soule Tang Peep

Postby 52Bore » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:42 pm

I'm sure they are nice, Lee does good work. I assume it's the mid/long range vernier sight you're referring to? If so, not ideal for hunting - too fragile, unless it's an easy hunt. Target shooting, no reason it shouldn't work.
Most likely you'll have to mount it on the wood of your ML unless you happen to have a long tang. Many PH have had variations of verniers sights mounted, some just on top of the wood, some inlet the sight base.
Caution on ML as Soule's may not go low enough for even 200 yds, as on the Ped Gibbs - you may need a taller/higher front sight which is ??? for many reasons.. Not sure why someone would need to shim if it's installed/mounted correctly.

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Re: Lee Shavers Soule Tang Peep

Postby Idaholewis » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:49 pm

52Bore wrote:I'm sure they are nice, Lee does good work. I assume it's the mid/long range vernier sight you're referring to? If so, not ideal for hunting - too fragile, unless it's an easy hunt. Target shooting, no reason it shouldn't work.
Most likely you'll have to mount it on the wood of your ML unless you happen to have a long tang. Many PH have had variations of verniers sights mounted, some just on top of the wood, some inlet the sight base.
Caution on ML as Soule's may not go low enough for even 200 yds, as on the Ped Gibbs - you may need a taller/higher front sight which is ??? for many reasons.. Not sure why someone would need to shim if it's installed/mounted correctly.




The rifle will be a TC Hawken, or a TC Renegade, they both have fairly long Tangs, I am sure it will fit, but not positive? I use Lyman 57SMLs and i have 1 Williams FP Hawken on my Muzzleloaders, I have shot my 45 Cal 1:30 twist out to 500 yards but that is as far as I possibly can get with the Williams FP Hawken, i have ZERO elevation adjustment left at my 500 Mark. This will not be used for hunting at all, this setup will be strictly for fun bench target shooting, no competition/competing, I seen that Shavers recommends his taller front globe sight for a Muzzleloader, i plan to get his tallest front globe with the built in level. Basically this is nothing more than a fun thing, stretch the envelope as far as my eyes will allow, Parctical? NO! And something i won’t be doing a whole bunch of, This is my reason in Looking at Lee’s Economy Long Range Soule vernier, they are 225 bucks, the Kelly and Baldwin are probably AWESOME but they are also WAAAAAY more money, for the little i will be playing with this I am not sure i can justify the cost of either the Kelly or Baldwin? Are they really that much better? If so, in what ways?
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Re: Lee Shavers Soule Tang Peep

Postby Idaholewis » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:13 am

Here is what is said in the description of the sight.


The Economy model sights are a no frills “Soule” type tang sight with elevation and windage adjustments. They are not just a stripped down version of our other sights, they are an entirely different sight with a different base and detente spring design that is easier and cheaper to make. It also features only a standard eye cup with #10x32 threads, but the important parts of the sight (the adjustments) are made and fitted the same way as our more expensive sights. It features micrometer adjustments for windage, and vernier scale on the elevation, but also has ½ MOA marks on the elevation knob for more accurate elevation adjustments.

I typically tell potential buyers that it is all the sight 90% of the competitors actually need. It works like it is supposed to and does it at an economical price. I've sold thousands of them over the years with many happy repeat customers.

On the other hand as our eyes get older it is nice to have the “Hadley” style eye cup so we can adjust the hole size to the available light conditions. My standard #10x32 Hadley will screw right on this sight, and can be ordered at the same time as this sight, or added later.

Each type rifle, (i.e., Sharps, Winchester, Remington, Ballard, and etc.) have different angles on the top tang in relation to the bore line. We set the economy model sights to the correct angle when we manufacture them. It requires modification of the staff or spring to adjust that angle, and the detente spring must be compressed during assembly.

For that reason it is not recommended that you attempt to purchase this sight and multiple bases for several different rifles or different types of rifles. Our “Supergrade” sights are more suited for that use.

Because of the lighter detente of this sight, it will tend to tip forward under recoil. If you would prefer that the sight stay upright after firing so you do not need to reset it during the re-loading process then you should consider the Supergrade sight as it has a much stronger detente spring.

Actually it has been shown with slow motion camera work that all sights tip forward under recoil, and then flip to the rear and etc. as the recoil slows. The stronger detente spring of the Supergrade sight actually catches the sight as it passes vertical and stops it at that point so it appears to have not moved.

This sight is built lower than a normal Soule type sight by making the sight body and staff juncture a 90 degree angle instead of vertical above one another. This lowers the sight over a half inch to its lowest setting, and helps make using a Soule sight possible on a muzzle loader or other rifle such as a trapdoor that has the tang very high in relation to the bore line when compared to other single shot rifles such as the Sharps rifle.

In most cases it will still require the use of an extra tall front sight, but it will be much lower than what would be required with a normal Soule sight.

There is one additional drawback to using this sight. Because of the way it is made, it will only fold forward over the barrel for storage. It will not fold to the rear, and cannot be made to do so.

The angle of the staff to base is adjustable so it can be mounted on nearly any tang angle and be adjusted for vertical.

It is available with any base we make for the economy sights (NOT AVAILABLE IN PEDERSOLI GIBBS). You are welcome to let us know which base you prefer. If you do not designate a specific base length, we will ship it with the 1.5” base.
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Re: Lee Shavers Soule Tang Peep

Postby 45cal » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:42 pm

What you need is a Schutzen type sight only 2 inch staff , ask buffalo arms about them . good to 500.

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Re: Lee Shavers Soule Tang Peep

Postby 1874sharpsshooter » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:34 pm

I have a Pedersoli universal long range soule sight and a medium range . Both new , never put on a gun yet . I think they are better than a Lee Shaver but that's just an opinion . I could part with either one cheaper than a Shaver sight is . If interested let me know
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Re: Lee Shavers Soule Tang Peep

Postby Idaholewis » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:49 am

1874sharpsshooter wrote:I have a Pedersoli universal long range soule sight and a medium range . Both new , never put on a gun yet . I think they are better than a Lee Shaver but that's just an opinion . I could part with either one cheaper than a Shaver sight is . If interested let me know



I really appreciate the offer, I’ve got this project on hold for a couple of months (til all of my hunting is done) I use Lee’s BPCR inserts in my Lyman 17 Series Globes and really like them.
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