Anyone have a Winchester model 12 12ga?
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I did not really test the function before disassembly so did not notice it till after most of the reassembly. I know that was stupid. I had to disassembly the slide completely to repair a long split in it.
What I see is that when it is dry fired the slide release is a little bound up till you push just a bit forward on the slide. Then it releases and you can rack the slide like normal. Best I can tell the spring (sort of like a lock washer) on the mag tube is somehow putting a bit too much rearward pressure on the slide to cause it. I was not sure if this is normal when you dry fire and would be different when a shell is in it. It would be the weekend before I could test with s shell or fire it at the range.
Ever see that?
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What I see is that when it is dry fired the slide release is a little bound up till you push just a bit forward on the slide. Then it releases and you can rack the slide like normal. Best I can tell the spring (sort of like a lock washer) on the mag tube is somehow putting a bit too much rearward pressure on the slide to cause it. I was not sure if this is normal when you dry fire and would be different when a shell is in it. It would be the weekend before I could test with s shell or fire it at the range.
Ever see that?
Thanks,
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If I understand correctly and I think I do - I have one in my hands right now and what you see -feel -hear is pretty much normal on a dry fire. If you are firing for real your hand will be on the pump wood and the recoil of the round will cause you to unlock the slide. Also note the model 12 is more or less a slam fire shot gun. If you shoot and continue to hold pressure on the trigger while working the slide extracting and pushing the next round in - then as soon as the round is in the slide locks the shot gun will go off again. There were a lot of guys that mastered this and even shot doubles in Trap Shooting with a Model 12 pump!
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I got an email from my cousin, who owns this shotgun, and he told me that it always dropped back just a tad when fired, shell or no shell. So back to the bench.
Studied this issue on this shotgun all day Sunday. About drove me crazy. I had pretty much came to the conclusion that something was up with the spring on the mag tube but it is a pain to take apart. You have to have a special spanner wrench to remove the forend nut, but I have that. The Nut was freshly painted (it was not blued and would not take blue) so hated to remove it again and maybe scratch it. Just spent a bit over an hour on it again. This time I took the forend/slide apart to study that spring again. It seems that during the time it spent apart (about 8 months) the spring had sort of sprung open some which caused more rear tension on the slide when in battery after reassembly. It sort of had the spring warped a little, if that makes since, so it did not really move on the tube smoothly. I reformed it just a little and now the spring moves much easier on the mag tube. After complete reassembly, when you pull the trigger the slide release drops like it should (no bind at all) and the slide falls back smoothly, just a short ways like it should!
I like working on these kind of puzzles but this one had me ...
Studied this issue on this shotgun all day Sunday. About drove me crazy. I had pretty much came to the conclusion that something was up with the spring on the mag tube but it is a pain to take apart. You have to have a special spanner wrench to remove the forend nut, but I have that. The Nut was freshly painted (it was not blued and would not take blue) so hated to remove it again and maybe scratch it. Just spent a bit over an hour on it again. This time I took the forend/slide apart to study that spring again. It seems that during the time it spent apart (about 8 months) the spring had sort of sprung open some which caused more rear tension on the slide when in battery after reassembly. It sort of had the spring warped a little, if that makes since, so it did not really move on the tube smoothly. I reformed it just a little and now the spring moves much easier on the mag tube. After complete reassembly, when you pull the trigger the slide release drops like it should (no bind at all) and the slide falls back smoothly, just a short ways like it should!
I like working on these kind of puzzles but this one had me ...
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I know what you mean about the slam fire. I was thinking along the same lines that under recoil it would probably work smooth too or that a shell in the chamber would hold the bolt back just a more in the locked position. But when cocked I could try pushing the bolt back with a wood dowel or finger and that bolt never budged.
I like the way the old model 12 looks but they are just too long for me. I really have to stretch to work that forend comfortably. I had an old Ithaca Deer slayer for a long time and when the trigger was pulled it never failed to drop the forend back just a bit, So this just seemed odd to me.
Thanks for checking!
I like the way the old model 12 looks but they are just too long for me. I really have to stretch to work that forend comfortably. I had an old Ithaca Deer slayer for a long time and when the trigger was pulled it never failed to drop the forend back just a bit, So this just seemed odd to me.
Thanks for checking!
