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Bras rod with a brass jag, I don't think out gouged, it appears to be a bump
Pacnor 45 barrel suddenly got a couple rough spots.
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You will be ok as long as you THINK about what youre doing . Just be carefull and pay attention . Look at it this way -- right now this is a rescue attempt . Reason out the options . Believe in yourself !!! If this doesnt work or somehow damage is added to YOU TRIED . I dont believe you will make things worse . They alteady ARE worse . Nothing to lose and everything to gain !!!! Besides you "really didnt hammer " it did you ??? Like whack --whack the bullet down ??
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Yep I wacked it down, it is done all the time when you are trying to get just the right fit when sizing. It is not a rescue exactly, it shot it with 240 Fury and sabots and had excellent results. I might end up with that load as full sizing can be kind of a pain. It just bugs me too feel the bump in the barrel.
Yea it would bother me too . Didnt know you got to whack them sometimes for bullet to bore . I think size under bore size then knurl back up is how to go myself . I still think its anti--sieze's melted metal . Ive seen that before just not in a gun . Never trusted it since either . Maybe the copper stuff but if i can avoid it i do . That bump looks to me to be on the edge of a land in the groove . Makes sense to be there if that powdered metal in the anti --seize got hot enough to melt and cooled enough to deposit itself there . Im gonna look up what metal they used in it.......
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Well looks like a naptha based oil with aluminum and graphite Not to be used above 1500°F or with exposure to a oxidizer . Was designed as a high temp lube for fine threads but Not for sliding/ bearing applications .
There isnt much temp change to go from a solid to molten with aluminum and back when your temp is high enough . The oil carrier no doubt teamed up with the blackhorn eventually and oxidized too . This REALLY started a pig !!! A bullet going down a bore is a sliding bearing application . Wrong Stuff for a breech plug or a gun period !!!! At least you now know what it is --- Aluminum and graphite . Its gonna hold on pretty damn good unfortunately , kinda brazed on now . That brass rod you got is your best bet to get most of it off and it wont be easy i dont think . 416 isnt poppular for barrels cuz its tough , it machines easier than the alternative stainless materials thats why its used . Easier on tools . Sorry , but now you know . Mechanical removal is the name of the game . Knock off what you can then wear it down slowly . Lewis tool may just be your best buddy......
That graphite is the bond to the barrel's pores .
There isnt much temp change to go from a solid to molten with aluminum and back when your temp is high enough . The oil carrier no doubt teamed up with the blackhorn eventually and oxidized too . This REALLY started a pig !!! A bullet going down a bore is a sliding bearing application . Wrong Stuff for a breech plug or a gun period !!!! At least you now know what it is --- Aluminum and graphite . Its gonna hold on pretty damn good unfortunately , kinda brazed on now . That brass rod you got is your best bet to get most of it off and it wont be easy i dont think . 416 isnt poppular for barrels cuz its tough , it machines easier than the alternative stainless materials thats why its used . Easier on tools . Sorry , but now you know . Mechanical removal is the name of the game . Knock off what you can then wear it down slowly . Lewis tool may just be your best buddy......
That graphite is the bond to the barrel's pores .
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(If), anti-seize caused this, it is the first time in many years I have heard of it being a problem as what bowbender6 has experienced. Not saying it isn't the causation but would seem others would have experienced it and spoke of it? I dont use anything except for drylube spray on my sml. anti-seize is messy.
My rear shoulder sealing plugs in my sml 's don't leak so All I need is slight lubricant. I fully understand what you are saying and Know that everyone does not have the same type plugs. I have had anti=seize give me problems on certain automotive applications and am selective when using it. The threads on breech plugs are machine and not pipe threads and do not provide a seal they seal on a front or rear shoulder. With smokers something is needed to prevent seizing. Just the nature of the black and subs I guess.
Well poor bowbender6 probably never did either . Conditions are what Loctite warned of .
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I think the Locktite thing is the only thing that makes sense. I have the factory MLII breech plug and I don't thin it seals. I make my own ventliners and only shoot BH209 anymore, I tried about teflon tape,3 different kinds on loctite and then the last two years have used the silver stick loctite I got from Luke at Arrowhead. I take the breechplug out about every 20-30 shoots and relube. Maybe I need to clean out all the old and not put so much lube on the threads. Occasionally the plug has been hards to remove so I have been trying different methods.
Thats a front sealing plug . Better talk to your gunsmith , BUT READ my thread "Ends the Stuck Breech Plug Blues" in inline muzzleloading now on page 2 i believe . A plug must seal . First and foremost . IDK if lukes is a front or rear sealer (i hope rear) but id look into that SOON . Even with blackhorn a leaker isnt cool and they NEVER get any better , Only Worse .Id quit that Loctite #8060 too . THEY tell you its vunerabilites and if youre front seal is leaking then theres the open door fot troubles like these in your barrel . Always plan ahead for avoiding this kind of a failure if you can . Ya never know !!! Direct heat reached BEYOND where it should have got to . IMO this is why Savage pulled it and why the failures to a degree . Get a new plug , aftermarket if possible and rear sealing too if possible . Ah hell , hows about a bushing also !!! I dont mean to sound like im pickin on your mz , none of them are sold how they should be functioning .
Try the permatex thread sealant #80632 especially if you gotta stay with a front seal AND LAP IT IN then adjust headspace . Its in my thread for how to do it . Ok ??? You seem like a good guy and i dont want you to have any more problems !!!!!
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Slideshow- I had just read your post on "Ends the Stuck Breech Plug Blues" before you responded. I was aware of most of that, but that is a nice write upon how to do it so I can follow. I have thought about different breech plugs but have not bought one yet, not sure if it is worth it for me. There was a time when I shot this a lot smokeless with a .50 cal. But being in Michigan BH209 is my option for hunting and I might only shoot this 10 time a year now that I have a good load. I guess I need to try to get this blob out of the barrel then work on sealing the plug or a new one. I did change and headspace the barrel myself. I am not a gunsmith but I play one at home.
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Seems like there are alot of us Michigan boys here !!! Ultimately youre right , barrel fiirst . I hear you on a bp upgrade . Youre probably going to need one though cuz of some cutting starting . Figured id mention it . A bushing would be really nice but you know this too . I believe you do have a bit of smokepole mechanic in you !!! Good !!! Im glad you found my thread helpfull . I honestly try to do just that for all here . Thank you !!!Slideshow- I had just read your post on "Ends the Stuck Breech Plug Blues" before you responded. I was aware of most of that, but that is a nice write upon how to do it so I can follow. I have thought about different breech plugs but have not bought one yet, not sure if it is worth it for me. There was a time when I shot this a lot smokeless with a .50 cal. But being in Michigan BH209 is my option for hunting and I might only shoot this 10 time a year now that I have a good load. I guess I need to try to get this blob out of the barrel then work on sealing the plug or a new one. I did change and headspace the barrel myself. I am not a gunsmith but I play one at home.
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Its gonna take some work but youll get it done !!!! Anyway se michigan (downriver) is home . Say "Hi" anytime !!! --- Sideshow
Thats been covered already .
Bowbender6 you made any progress on that barrel blob ???Slideshow- I had just read your post on "Ends the Stuck Breech Plug Blues" before you responded. I was aware of most of that, but that is a nice write upon how to do it so I can follow. I have thought about different breech plugs but have not bought one yet, not sure if it is worth it for me. There was a time when I shot this a lot smokeless with a .50 cal. But being in Michigan BH209 is my option for hunting and I might only shoot this 10 time a year now that I have a good load. I guess I need to try to get this blob out of the barrel then work on sealing the plug or a new one. I did change and headspace the barrel myself. I am not a gunsmith but I play one at home.
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Just got back from Florida, plan on tackling the this next couple days.
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