Scope rail is finally here.

[wmdbowman]

CVA makes a one piece mount it's a strong investment casting called CVA Dead on scope mount. Try it you will like it.
The set up in the photo is pretty iffy and in an awkward position will create a head ache. Just saying!
Vortex Diamondback or a Vortex crossfire scope would make a nice little package on a light rifle such as the Wolf. No batteries needed.

 

[GM54-120]

Diamondbacks all have a mediocre eye relief excluding the Tactical line. Some Crossfires are better but are made in China with cheaper parts. Ive seen some nice closeout pricing on the DB Tactical 3x9x40s iirc. The DB Tactical 3x9x40 had the XR/XD glass just like the Vipers and made in the same factory. Nice 3.9" of eye relief too. BUT even at blowout pricing you can get a Loppie 3x9x40 for the same price or less.

Redfield Revolution would be my choice if you want to knock another $50 of that price and still get a fairly good Made in USA scope. Ive seen the model like mine pop up for around $150 on sale. Shooting 70gr loads there is no need for a 4x16x44 scope. A 2x7 or 3x9 will do all you need for the ranges that load is good for.

Best mount bar none atm is the DNZ Game Reaper for the CVAs. Far better quality than Durasight.
https://www.amazon.com/Game-Reaper-CVA-Rifle-Medium-Mount/dp/B001EYH2QG?th=1

 

[deermanok]

I'm kinda old school in that I always liked fixed power scopes. 2.5 or 4 powder. On my last hunting trip to northern Maine, I borrowed a Ruger 44 magnum carbine. It was topped with an old Weaver straight 6 power. I wanted to buy the scope from my buddy there but nothing doing.

 

[Half-Cocked]

Gotta say guys I tried out the diamond back and the ugh crossfire. No thanks.

Great warranty but have you ever looked inside the scope from the other end? If you never have to go ahead and give it a try get ready for a treat.

On a nice beautiful clean scope it's exactly that clean on the inside there's a schmear of Grease and that's about it or at least that's the way it should be.

Out of the two vortex scope that I had there was a lint and dust quite visible strands of something clinging to the grease. This is not just vortec though many many of the cheaper China made scopes feature this phenomenon.

Does it cause an issue will it ever be an issue I don't know. I can tell you I don't like it when I spend $400 for a scope and I see bits of lint inside. Especially when the scope that I paid 50 bucks for doesn't have Lint and crap inside.

Maybe I got a bad batch maybe if you spend more you get better quality but I tell you out of researching all the cheap shina scopes there are two brands that I would buy with no hesitation. First and foremost is ohhunt if you want any type of illuminated reticle. Second is an optima manufactured by Hatsan for the double recoil of air rifles.

Before you say anything yes I have used them on firearms. They hold up they hold zero and they don't have any junk inside. to me that means somebody gave a crap about the manufacturing process.

Incidentally The vortex that I did try which I paid buku extra for an illuminated reticle was a flop. The turret adjustment was completely mushy. It was easy to go from two clicks to five clicks. Very mushy very spongy not an audible click at all. The illuminated reticle itself was worthless under 8th power. You literally could not see the thing light up unless it was on the highest two settings in which the dot being The only part of the reticle illuminated bled all over the place.

Some people might prefer this and say but well when you're hunting you don't want to Bright reticle in your eye. To that I say whatever Gizmo I pay for illumination I want illumination. My oldhunters have 5 settings don't blind me and I can use them anytime of day from daylight to night time on the lowest setting.

Best part is they cost fifty bucks a piece.

Out of the other brands that I've tried Are pinty cvlive and some other brands that people have recommended they weren't worth a beans.

Now if I did want to spend crazy money on a scope I would go with the Leopold. And that's only if I absolutely loved the rifle it was on and the rifle itself cost about the same as the scope or more.

$200 CVA wolf with a 200-yard range is getting a $50 scope and should be thankful it's getting that.

 

[GM54-120]

Sure have. I got a DB HP 3x12x42 and the glass is great for the money. Cost me $200 shipped to my door. Same glass and coating as the Vipers. Made in the Philippines.

3" of relief, light weight rifle and a poor cheek weld is a recipe for scope bite. You got all those bases covered with that scope and mount.

 

[Half-Cocked]

Sure have. I got a DB HP 3x12x42 and the glass is great for the money. Cost me $200 shipped to my door. Same glass and coating as the Vipers. Made in the Philippines.

3" of relief, light weight rifle and a poor cheek weld is a recipe for scope bite. You got all those bases covered with that scope and mount.

I had to laugh at that last paragraph. I'm going to try to video the first shot. Lol.

Cheek weld who needs a cheek weld? We're going to point the cannon down range and take out whatever gets in its way. Let's just hope it's not me.

 

[GM54-120]

I don't like it when I spend $400 for a scope and I see bits of lint inside. Especially when the scope that I paid 50 bucks for doesn't have Lint and crap inside.

So uh, which Vortex Diamondback scope did you get or look at that was $400? Cant imagine why you would not be looking at Vipers on sale if even looking at $400 scopes. I gave $350 for my Razor HD LH on a blow out sale.

IMO if your desire was to save money and you only plan on shooting 70gr loads, why not just take it out to the range with iron sights to see if you even like it enough to invest in better optics and mounts first.

 

[Half-Cocked]

So uh, which Vortex Diamondback scope did you get or look at that was $400? Cant imagine why you would not be looking at Vipers on sale if even looking at $400 scopes. I gave $350 for my Razor HD LH on a blow out sale.

IMO if your desire was to save money and you only plan on shooting 70gr loads, why not just take it out to the range with iron sights to see if you even like it enough to invest in better optics and mounts first.

Well as far as iron sights yeah I am going to do both ideally. Leaving the iron sights on there with the scope serves no purpose unless iron sights are dialed in.

So the plan is dial in iron sights first Mount the scope zero the scope try not to curse.

Going back to this being a new rifle and does it even shoot straight? Well that's why with all new firearms first thing I do is site in using iron sights. Taking the variable of the optics out and giving me a feel of little rifle trigger break trigger feel recoil etc.

Once that is done and I get used to the firearm and the firearm shoots in a predictable way. I then know the gun is capable.

As far as the vortex scope well I had to try one to see what all the hoopla was about. I personally wasn't impressed of course I didn't have the HD model.

I found decent scope that was reasonably priced after searching through many junk scopes. And hey they work.

Let's be real here what is the scope going to do? It provides a crosshair an image of the target and what we ask of it is 2 repeatedly hit on that cross hair.

If that's a goal then these scopes work great for me. Even more real... We're chucking a chunk of lead at something to kill it humanely if it is used for hunting. If we're doing target practice we wanted to hit consistently and where we want it to hit. The old accuracy and precision. Will a $50 scope do it yeah maybe but not many of them and if so not for long. Will expensive scope do it yeah maybe.

Again $200 muzzleloader black powder can't really see put in $500 optics on something that's going to shoot to about 200 yards. Hell I can't even see couldn't 200 into it and this is why. Its suited purpose in my opinion is a one shot one kill hunting rifle than it is something I want to spend all day at the range with putting 50 to a hundred rounds through.

I mean I don't know what the maximum shot count is without a thorough cleaning but I'm a firm believer using the right type of rifle for its purpose.

If this was a 308 modern cartridge rifle yeah I want to touch 600 yards I want to get a good scope and I'm probably want to spend all day at the range having fun playing sniper.

So why even bother with a black powder rifle you might say? Well I thought it was kind of cool as a novelty. I as I have stated I see their best purpose as a cheap short-range hunting rifle one shot one kill that extend your hunting season into muzzleloader season. Plus no FFL fees.

These things are basically blunderbusses the accuracy really isn't there the range really isn't there especially on a CVA wolf. I just don't see the need for spending a ton of money on a scope for a black powder rifle. The comical thing is a lot of guys only use these things once a year for a couple weeks during hunting season for deer yeah go ahead and throw it an expensive scope these awesome precision machine scope rings shoot the best bullets and only x brand of black powder and that's one hell of an expensive deer lol.

To each their own though everybody spends her money on whatever they want go freedom. The extra two hundred bucks on the scope for me means I could purchase another air rifle which I use very frequently in my basement.

I'm a little more picky when it comes to my personal defense handguns. I found with those it's better to just keep it simple. Remington full metal jackets at the range Federal semi jacketed hollow points in the mag for home defense which also get used at the range from time to time just to get the feel of the powder change.

 

[GM54-120]

Which Vortex scope did YOU get that was $400 because i cant find a Diamondback or Crossfire than sells for that kinda money?

As far as the vortex scope well I had to try one to see what all the hoopla was about. I personally wasn't impressed of course I didn't have the HD model.

Who said anything about a $500 scope on a $200 rifle? My Redfields were under $200 easily and held up fine to very harsh recoil.

Again $200 muzzleloader black powder can't really see put in $500 optics on something that's going to shoot to about 200 yards.

 

[D55]

I would rather have a $1000 scope on a $200 rifle than a $200 scope on a $1000 rifle. Repeatability and you can't hit what you can't see. ML's are it for me now I have pistols and rifles but no longer shoot let alone hunt with them. I guess I am addicted to the ML.

 

[Half-Cocked]

Which Vortex scope did YOU get that was $400 because i cant find a Diamondback or Crossfire than sells for that kinda money?


Who said anything about a $500 scope on a $200 rifle? My Redfields were under $200 easily and held up fine to very harsh recoil.

Dude as far as the scope I don't recall. Honestly it might not even be a damn vortex. I do recall recently purchasing a crossfire that I recall vividly. I personally wasn't happy with it.

Hey if you found the redfield for 200 no judgments here brother. Goodonya. you probably have a better collection of muzzleloaders and might be a little more into it so that's what you chose to spend your money on.

And that's kind of the point that I was trying to make. Some people like to roll with triple gold daytons on a pinto. Whatever floats your boat. 3 in groups at a hundred yards don't excite a guy like me.

 

[wmdbowman]

Well as far as iron sights yeah I am going to do both ideally. Leaving the iron sights on there with the scope serves no purpose unless iron sights are dialed in.

So the plan is dial in iron sights first Mount the scope zero the scope try not to curse.

Going back to this being a new rifle and does it even shoot straight? Well that's why with all new firearms first thing I do is site in using iron sights. Taking the variable of the optics out and giving me a feel of little rifle trigger break trigger feel recoil etc.

Once that is done and I get used to the firearm and the firearm shoots in a predictable way. I then know the gun is capable.

As far as the vortex scope well I had to try one to see what all the hoopla was about. I personally wasn't impressed of course I didn't have the HD model.

I found decent scope that was reasonably priced after searching through many junk scopes. And hey they work.

Let's be real here what is the scope going to do? It provides a crosshair an image of the target and what we ask of it is 2 repeatedly hit on that cross hair.

If that's a goal then these scopes work great for me. Even more real... We're chucking a chunk of lead at something to kill it humanely if it is used for hunting. If we're doing target practice we wanted to hit consistently and where we want it to hit. The old accuracy and precision. Will a $50 scope do it yeah maybe but not many of them and if so not for long. Will expensive scope do it yeah maybe.

Again $200 muzzleloader black powder can't really see put in $500 optics on something that's going to shoot to about 200 yards. Hell I can't even see couldn't 200 into it and this is why. Its suited purpose in my opinion is a one shot one kill hunting rifle than it is something I want to spend all day at the range with putting 50 to a hundred rounds through.

I mean I don't know what the maximum shot count is without a thorough cleaning but I'm a firm believer using the right type of rifle for its purpose.

If this was a 308 modern cartridge rifle yeah I want to touch 600 yards I want to get a good scope and I'm probably want to spend all day at the range having fun playing sniper.

So why even bother with a black powder rifle you might say? Well I thought it was kind of cool as a novelty. I as I have stated I see their best purpose as a cheap short-range hunting rifle one shot one kill that extend your hunting season into muzzleloader season. Plus no FFL fees.

These things are basically blunderbusses the accuracy really isn't there the range really isn't there especially on a CVA wolf. I just don't see the need for spending a ton of money on a scope for a black powder rifle. The comical thing is a lot of guys only use these things once a year for a couple weeks during hunting season for deer yeah go ahead and throw it an expensive scope these awesome precision machine scope rings shoot the best bullets and only x brand of black powder and that's one hell of an expensive deer lol.

To each their own though everybody spends her money on whatever they want go freedom. The extra two hundred bucks on the scope for me means I could purchase another air rifle which I use very frequently in my basement.

I'm a little more picky when it comes to my personal defense handguns. I found with those it's better to just keep it simple. Remington full metal jackets at the range Federal semi jacketed hollow points in the mag for home defense which also get used at the range from time to time just to get the feel of the powder change.

You kinda got wrapped around the axel with some of your statements. Hang in there you have a lot to learn. Learning is a good thing

 

[Half-Cocked]

Also let's not forget that even the best even the best scope doesn't make an inaccurate rifle muzzleloader shoot any better.

 

[wmdbowman]

The Redfields are made by a division of Leupold and are very good quality for the $. Have had good success with both the Variable 9 and 12 power. They work well in low light (no Batteries)
I don't like the idea of a scope being made in china but some of them work very well for the cost range one might want to buy. Just mounted a Konuspro-550 on smokeless gun can't find a thing wrong with the scope for the cost. No wire reticle and are said to hold up well under heavy recoil. I'm going to find out.
3.5 in. eye relief or more is fine on a heavy recoiling gun if the stock fit is correctly.
Not sure why anyone would want a cheep 16 power scope that will give a lot up in optical clarity on a rifle for shooting at 200 yards or less. The wolf is really stretching it past 200 yds especially for hunting game..

 

[GM54-120]

I think we are getting somewhere now.

Dude as far as the scope I don't recall. Honestly it might not even be a damn vortex. I do recall recently purchasing a crossfire that I recall vividly. I personally wasn't happy with it.

I used a 2x7x33 Redfield on my 2 hardest kicking rifles for years. Both weigh in under 8lbs scoped. Both will shoot MOA to 100 yards or more. I gave under $150 for them back then. You can still pick them up for close to $150 on sale. They are now owned by Leupold. Have been for years and they have the same warranty. Made in the same factory. So i think you got a totally wrong idea about advice you have been given.

The only reason i upgraded one to a Razor HD LH was the price was far too good to pass up and the glass is exceptional. That rifle is strictly a hunting rifle. Optical quality in low light is paramount and i wanted something light weight to compliment the rifle. No other scope in its class fit all the requirements for anywhere near that price.

The ability to handle recoil and provide a reasonably good eye relief are a big deal when talking about ML scopes. Ive got a nice scope with 3" of relief that was on a ML. Its not very fun when you get caught off guard. Been there and done that. Love that scope but not on anything with more recoil than a 243Win or maybe some 6.5s.

 

[wmdbowman]

The good scopes of the era your talking about were the only ones available. Leupold, Redfield ,Weaver and Lyman, were the best of the best. All were 1 in tubes and made of steel. Never had a problem with one.
I still have a Lyman I think Alaskan on a 12 gage slug gun. Never missed a heart beat.

 

[GM54-120]

On a side note the Viper HS 2.5x10x44 is back on sale at MidwayUSA for $250

Just mounted a Konuspro-550 on smokeless gun can't find a thing wrong with the scope for the cost. No wire reticle and are said to hold up well under heavy recoil. I'm going to find out.

They seem to be hit and miss. One guy who raved about them had to send a Konus back that was on a Mosin Nagant. Internals came loose but they promptly replaced it. Athlon offers some tough Chinese made scopes but they get well into the same price range as other tough scopes.

 

[GM54-120]

The good scopes of the era your talking about were the only ones available. Leupold, Redfield ,Weaver and Lyman, were the best of the best. All were 1 in tubes and made of steel. Never had a problem with one.
I still have a Lyman I think Alaskan on a 12 gage slug gun. Never missed a heart beat.

Nope, mine are Redfield Revolution 2x7x33s made right after Leupold acquired Redfield. First year they made them. Very close to a VX-II in specs and quality. You can still buy that same scope but i dont think they make them anymore. Still some available though from a few vendors.

 

[wmdbowman]

I have a Viper HS 4-16x 50 on a Model 12 Long Range Savage 6.5 and have had no issues with the gun or scope.
I think the scope was made in Japan or the Phillapines can't remember for sure without looking at the gun.
Hey just like anything, sometimes there can be a bad apple in the barrel. I've been lucky when it comes to rifle scopes and mounts.
A lot less lucky when it comes to women.

 

[michiganmuzzy]

I think we are getting somewhere now.



I used a 2x7x33 Redfield on my 2 hardest kicking rifles for years. Both weigh in under 8lbs scoped. Both will shoot MOA to 100 yards or more. I gave under $150 for them back then. You can still pick them up for close to $150 on sale. They are now owned by Leupold. Have been for years and they have the same warranty. Made in the same factory. So i think you got a totally wrong idea about advice you have been given.

The only reason i upgraded one to a Razor HD LH was the price was far too good to pass up and the glass is exceptional. That rifle is strictly a hunting rifle. Optical quality in low light is paramount and i wanted something light weight to compliment the rifle. No other scope in its class fit all the requirements for anywhere near that price.

The ability to handle recoil and provide a reasonably good eye relief are a big deal when talking about ML scopes. Ive got a nice scope with 3" of relief that was on a ML. Its not very fun when you get caught off guard. Been there and done that. Love that scope but not on anything with more recoil than a 243Win or maybe some 6.5s.

Youve got me looking at Redfields for my Knight 1:30 .45. and my Black Diamond.