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And yes there evil plan was to sell power belts since they own the company lol. Just like knight wanted u to yous there bloodline bullets. Knights always been proprietary knight products. It's just that knight shooters expected to use sabots. So they were happy. U run into the same problems with knight barrels. I know I've got a mountaineer with a 453 ish bore. I have to have fury knurl them also. It's why I shot big lead from it and had custom work done to it so the 209 primers didn't granade in it. Damn mess. All of us that mess with this land rider stuff already know the pain in the butt problems of industry standards and tolerances. Land riders require exact fit bullets. It's why we buy adjustable sizing dies. And fork out big money for rebarrel jobs. Lots cheaper to knurl up a fury. Cva wants u to buy there stuff! That's just life and business sadly. Knight wants u to buy there stuff also.
 
if knight sold or allowed to be sold sabots for 45 bullets to work with their .52 caliber guns i think they would sell more of them for the price their currently asking .
 
Most of these guns work fine if you use them ass intended. Full house r close load and there bullets. Weather it's bloodline r powerbelt. And hold on when u pull the trigger lol. 160 grains volume and no brake lmao. Wow fun fun. Nope not for lots of people. Then the problem starts bullets won't bump up. R they just can't shoot a hard recoiling rifle well. I don't like powerbelts. But I'm not gonna trash them either. Use what u want and follow this forum for help. I replied hear because it seem liked bashing cva to me. If I was wrong I apologize. Lots of people r tickled happy with there cva. I'm one of them. And believe I got what I paid for. I didn't want to spend more on custom gun. I've got them there great. Can't get half my money back out of them. Lol. But that's OK there mine!
 
Trying to get company's to make things the way we want is sound imput. Saying they care more about money than accuracy, well that just makes them not like us and our forum. Maybe I'm just a relic but seems like bashing to me. If I'm wrong r have offended someone I apologize it wasn't my intention. Thanks to all of u for allowing me here. Didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings. We just need to push the right way is all I'm saying. So hope I don't get hate mail now lol.
 
Your welcome. Mister I wish there was a bullet I could tell u to use that didn't require knurling and sizing to shoot sabotless. I just don't know one. Maybe look for a 454 diameter pistol bullet that will size easily. If u find it let me know lol. When a rifle is made to accommodate sabots its just got to loose of a bore for my taste in shooting it sabotless. Trying to please the masses may be this rifles downfall. Maybe Dennis at fury will make a knew line of .454 easy sizing bullets for us like a pitman r Parker that will stabilize in a 22 twist barrel. He'd sell the hec out of them. He makes a 453 just for us but sadly it's not big enough for my rifle and light target loads. It just won't bump up enough. Heavy full house loads r fine with it in my gun. He knurls them to just over .454 for me. Next time I talk to him I'll ask him to make me what I really want. A paramount bullet that doesn't need knurling. Maybe he will see value in it. If I could get that .402 smokeless bullet he makes.in 454 at 275 grains I'd be happy Happy. Hec think I'll call him. I could size it to a mountaineer I have that is just a smig tighter than the paramount. It would need a 225 star tip r 240 grain semi Spitzer pointed lead tip for my taste cause it a 1n 30 twist. But geez it would be a tack driver at 100 I think and make deer really dead. Should be fine for fast twist .45 knight and in the paramount I think. So actually I guess I'd want 3 different style bullets. One target bullet for the cva and 2 hunting bullets for the knight. The paramount bullet would work on deer but geez it would rip them up a 25 yards.
 
This is one of them I'd recommend for sabot. Light blue harvester only. Start light say 90 grains volume and then work up to hottest load it will shoot accurately. Dont worry about sabot damage when u pick em up off the ground. As long as they group tight keep going. When things fall apart stop. Back down the charge. You'll hit a point before u over charge that paramount with a 240 grain bullet where the sabot will start getting to damaged from the fast twist to be accurately shot. You might just be happy enough to stop there. Nope it ain't going to be a land rider and you won't hit 160 grain by volume velocities. It will just shoot great and kill deer. If u want that 160 grain full power no sabot do like I do tell Dennis what your wanting to do he'll fix u up. R spend the money on a brux barrel job and never look back. My way is cheaper the other way is much cooler 😎 and bad ass to the bone dedicated Land rider gun. R go rock creek shallow Grove like encore shoots. I'm just looking to make it shoot. Not customize it. But that should would rock your world lol. Paramount with rock creek barrel. Hmmmm. Probably put a monster brake on it also. Man know that would smack pronghorn. If taste runs to brux thats cool too. It's a quality barrel. Hope this helps. Cva sees a power belt as a sabot round hybrid from what I got out of the conversation. So they thought it would help sell rifles. There aware of the way power belts get bashed so they wanted another way to shoot it. Hasn't gone the way they hoped it seems. I'm just telling you what that young fellow told me. Hec it might a been the janitor answering the phone lol. Just know he was a polite young man and didn't mind answering my questions. I figured he hang up on me lol. He didn't and we actually came to a understanding. I was hot about that oversize bore and felt like I was sold a bill of goods especially when I was told that powerbelt was designed for it. Didn't shoot like it was. Anyway I realized getting mad and bashing there products wasn't going to help me. He told me about the sabot thing and told me where to go to get them what sabot to use and if I wanted to go sabotless to use the same guy. Just tell him what u want it to do. And now u know how I've learned some of this. And I've shot muzzleloaders since the seventies lol. And read alot. And belong to a club of long range shooter's and this forum. I already new about Dennis at fury bullets. And harvester. I actually had the stuff on had. And a knuling tool that works on a lathe. Hope I spelled that right. I got it shooting good and then just kept playing with it. Till I got half inch and smaller sometimes groups at 100 yards. You can knurl r send those spaceships to Dennis he'll knurl them up for you. But I use his bullets. I mean I try to stay loyal. And I think there a better bullet for what I do. He also said these rifles r a new project and they're considering tightening the bore but not so much u can't get a sabot to go down it. Hec maybe they got stock in Hornaday lol. The xtp in red box. Lmao. He said maybe as tight as .451. That they needed to sell products to justify all the time spent in developing the paramount rifles. And that they figured they could make changes as time went on. So fellow members they r listening and reading this stuff. I for one want these style rifles and figure it's better to work with them than bash them. I know it stinks being a ginnepig. It's just the way it is sadly. You'll get it shooting just don't get made and sell it for pennies on what u paid. R make it a safe queen.
 
JeffB1961 said:
here's the bore from the breech of a brand new never shot fresh out the box cva accura mrx .50 cal. i got last month , it has their best bergera barrel .
Pathfinder60 said:
I own 2 CVA rifles...an Accura V2 Plains Rifle in 50 caliber and a Paramount in 45. The PR shoots very well with a number of loads and the Paramount I can't get to shoot for **** regardless what I feed it. The PR's bore is a snug true 50 caliber. The Paramount is an overbore .4535 but it is uniform. My issue with CVA and both these rifles is the actual design of the rifling. CVA/Bergara have abandoned conventional rifling design in favor of two side by side what I call "micro lands" rather than a single land. IMO this design is a complete failure. They apparently can't maintain bore integrity because they are removing to much material and leaving too little material behind to actually engage the bullet with. I don't know when they did this but based on pictures I've seen and my brothers 18 year old CVA rifle, it was sometime after that as those rifles rifling is of the standard clearly defined land and groove design. I can't imagine why CVA decided to fix something that wasn't broken but alas, here we are. It is my belief that the muzzleloading community and prospective muzzleloader buyers are unaware of what CVA has chosen to do to itself and it's products. I can tell you all with absolute certainty had I known this was going on I wouldn't have bought either one of those rifles. And with an equal amount of certainty I'll never buy another. Buyer beware...CVA is damaged goods.
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...kooky, kooky engineers and their first beer...
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Pathfinder60 said:
... My issue with CVA and both these rifles is the actual design of the rifling. CVA/Bergara have abandoned conventional rifling design in favor of two side by side what I call "micro lands" rather than a single land. IMO this design is a complete failure...
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Next years model will feature lands in the grooves, which are taller than the lands already there....
 
I want rifles like this also, I was so excited originally when all the talk about the Paramount ,a faster twist rifle in 45 Cal in a bolt gun was about to be released. What excites me about a 45 Cal fast twist is the obvious accuracy potentially available to the shooter,both with blackhorn and other subs,as well as the smokeless rifles. To me the Paramount has become the rifle that could have been. My opinions on the Paramount I hope are to make a better product for American Shooters. It would seem to me and I'm just a simple man don't know a lot ,but if I was going to sell a rifle and Market it as a sabot rifle, it would have a tighter bore not a looser bore,, I would guess most of the sabots that we shoot in 45 Cal have been designed for standard 45 bores not oversized bores. The plastic it was designed to shoot was the plastic that's on the bottom of their own bullet not a light blue that we use,, I realize the light blue and a 40 cal will work again American muzzleloaders are highly skilled and making messed up bores shoot , again I maintain it just should not be that way.I continue to have a love hate, respect,no respect relationship with CVA when they do good I will honor them when they make business philosophy engineering mistakes and a mess of a gun for the sake of the American shooter I sure want to speak up,, modern Muzzleloader has a lot of experience dedicated professional Muzzleloader shooters I personally think criticism from an organization like modern Muzzleloader is very beneficial for them and I think we should be completely brutally honest about all their guns and our opinions of them and yes hopefully in a respectful and honorable way and I continue to be a big CVA fan and at times a severe critic I would be the same with my own Sons when they do good I would honor them and when they don't I would do my best to correct their path.
 
Mnt monkey said:
I want rifles like this also, I was so excited originally when all the talk about the Paramount ,a faster twist rifle in 45 Cal in a bolt gun was about to be released. What excites me about a 45 Cal fast twist is the obvious accuracy potentially available to the shooter,both with blackhorn and other subs,as well as the smokeless rifles. To me the Paramount has become the rifle that could have been. My opinions on the Paramount I hope are to make a better product for American Shooters. It would seem to me and I'm just a simple man don't know a lot ,but if I was going to sell a rifle and Market it as a sabot rifle, it would have a tighter bore not a looser bore,, I would guess most of the sabots that we shoot in 45 Cal have been designed for standard 45 bores not oversized bores. The plastic it was designed to shoot was the plastic that's on the bottom of their own bullet not a light blue that we use,, I realize the light blue and a 40 cal will work again American muzzleloaders are highly skilled and making messed up bores shoot , again I maintain it just should not be that way.I continue to have a love hate, respect,no respect relationship with CVA when they do good I will honor them when they make business philosophy engineering mistakes and a mess of a gun for the sake of the American shooter I sure want to speak up,, modern Muzzleloader has a lot of experience dedicated professional Muzzleloader shooters I personally think criticism from an organization like modern Muzzleloader is very beneficial for them and I think we should be completely brutally honest about all their guns and our opinions of them and yes hopefully in a respectful and honorable way and I continue to be a big CVA fan and at times a severe critic I would be the same with my own Sons when they do good I would honor them and when they don't I would do my best to correct their path.
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Really good post brother, thanks
 
So, If the pre-covid Bergara barrels in the 45 Paramount were good barrels, and the barrels (like mine) made while covid was devastating Spain are crap, are there any reports of newer, more recently made Paramount barrels being good again?
 

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