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Dang Ron don't be a quitter:D inquiring minds want to know........



More than one member is curious, so..........Away We Go



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A trap was assembled to 'catch' the bullet shot with a load of 50 grain Blackhorn powder. The distance between the front bottle, and the rifle is 25 yard.



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At impact the front bottle was destroyed, and tossed high in the air, the second bottle tossed into the air, the bullet then went through the four remaining bottles, hit the phone book ripping a few pages. The bullet ended up on the ground about one foot behind the horse.



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Bullshop offers a 405gr (ish) 457 HP. Its a old Lee .457 405gr mould but he will size them smaller. They are probably a little heavier cast in softer lead.
 
Wonder why the Lyman Gould Hollow Point Bullets open much more with either 50 or 80 gr? Could it be the depth? I know it’s basically a straight hole?
 
Perhaps if the two bullets are shown side by side here, the advantage of the drilled hollow point will be more apparent? One thing that should be recalled, is the hollow point exhibited a more explosive impact.



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Ed, me, i don't recall how deep the hollow of your bullet was, but perhaps it was deeper. From what i see with this bullet, i believe a deeper hollow would result in a wider mushroom. Looking at the video of both your bullets, they both caused more explosive impact than this bullet. Why? Perhaps because they are lighter, thus going faster? Perhaps because they are smaller diameter, 45 not 50?

Don't know if i am learning anything; don't know if i know anything, but it is interesting stuff!
 
Ron, I'll try to measure the HP on my 45 Gould bullets. Your Right this stuff is interesting and drives me nuts in trying to develop the Ultimate bullet. So far I have NO complaints with the lead conicals that I shoot.
 
Ron, I measured the Hollow Point to the best of my ability using my digital caliper. The width of the HP is .1545 and the depth is .4400 I included a picture of what the pin looks like.
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I find these results and processes REALLY interesting! In a previous post I may have appeared to be scrutinizing the process but understand the necessity for repeatable results. Bullet performance has always been my goal when designing and manufacturing muzzleloading bullets. We have "tinkered" with several medias from ballistic media, bottled water, sand and phone books to realize what works and what doesn't. I find myself learning a lot from Ron's work. While it does deviate some from our results, it drives me to wonder if it's velocity or media driven. Part of me wants to say, that the water slows that bullet down substantially causing it to mushroom less when it finally hits some "meaningful" media. Another part of me wants to think that maybe the reduced load may be driving the non-noteworthy mushroom (performance) down range. I'd be more than happy to donate a couple boxes toward more testing. Email me an address and I'll get them on the way. ([email protected])
 
Shoot them both with 80 grains. I'll take the full weight leaded version for elk and other big game, everytime!

We call pissed off bull elk in to around 25-50 yards. No hollow point pure lead for this guy. I witnessed a hollow point PowerBelt splat on a front shoulder of a mature bull at 28 yards before. It was like a bee sting to him, he bugled, gathering his harem of cows back up, and trotted off over the mountain. That is something you'll never forget. Solid Lead penetrates, stays together, and kills!

Shoot 'em with 80 grains, and post the results.
 
Dave, here are a couple of links that Ron performed on my Pure Lead conicals. One is the Lyman 330gr HP Gould mold which casts about 345gr when using pure lead. The other is my 465gr solid conical. Both mushroomed more? I'm not a ballistician so this stuff really puzzles me. We would all love to know why bullets perform the way they do!

https://www.huntingnet.com/forum/black-powder/400985-ed-350-grain-homecast-hollowpoint.html

https://www.huntingnet.com/forum/black-powder/400956-ed-465-grain-boolit.html
 
...... I find myself learning a lot....... While it does deviate some from our results, it drives me to wonder if it's velocity or media driven. Part of me wants to say, that the water slows that bullet down substantially causing it to mushroom less............


Dave, i believe the bullets are bothered most by the plywood placed in front of the bottles, not the water in the bottles. Virtually all bullets work good when shot into just water. The plywood is used to separate the "boys".



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Me, i was impressed with how your bullet with the hollow point did when i pulled the trigger. All i saw was bottles flying high in the sky. The following still photo shows the front two bottles airborne about ¼ sec after impact.











These bullets are sized 0.051 (OOPS, mean to write 0.51) to fit the Omega. Keep in mind questions are as important as bullets. Busta made a request which should require about 10 bullets. Me, i have no questions left. Presently one box is too many. Will email address.
 
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Dave, i believe the bullets are bothered most by the plywood placed in front of the bottles, not the water in the bottles. Virtually all bullets work good when shot into just water. The plywood is used to separate the "boys".



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Me, i was impressed with how your bullet with the hollow point did when i pulled the trigger. All i saw was bottles flying high in the sky. The following still photo shows the front two bottles airborne about ¼ sec after impact.











These bullets are sized 0.051 (OOPS, mean to write 0.51) to fit the Omega. Keep in mind questions are as important as bullets. Busta made a request which should require about 10 bullets. Me, i have no questions left. Presently one box is too many. Will email address.

2 bullets. One of each with 80 grains of powder. You've tested everything else with both 50 & 80 grains.

I've done my own testing in elk media.
 
Ed-great looking bullets and great downrange performance. I'm thinking the 80 grains of BH rather than the 50 grains might be a deciding factor. Your bullet performance has been more in line with what we are seeing here with No Excuses Bullets and our media testing. Sent a few more No Excuses bullets for Ron to tinker with in the 420 and 460 variety. Looking forward to what he finds out.
 
Dave, cant wait to see Ron’s report. Your bullets always performed great and are Accurate!! If it wasn’t for your bullets, I would have sold my White’s years ago. At least in my Whites your bullets were much more accurate then what White was selling back then.
 

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