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I am shooting 110 grains by volume of BH 209 with the Barnes 290gr TMZ out of a 50cal. The charts I have looked at show the speed should be around 1950fps, and I plan on verifying that via magneedo soon. Based on a ballistic program, at 300 yards it shows my ft-lbs @ 1150 and my velocity at 1330fps. Is this adequate energy and speed to harvest mule deer size animals at that range? I am new to muzzleloaders and will take any input I can get. I was able to harvest an elk with this load in September in that 80yd range, and this load did a heck of job. Want to chase Muleys next year with this load, and would like to know it’s capabilities.
 
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I shoot pretty much the same load,77gr weighed (110) Volume behind a 300 gr Deep Curl. With 5 shots I chroned 4@ 2034 and 1 @2038 from my cva accura v2 using a Harvester crush rib sabot
 
I would be amazed if that bullet is still moving 1330fps at 300 yards.

Energy is meaningless if the bullet does not expand (as designed) at that distance but IF its sill moving 1330fps it should expand.
 
According to shooters app it does have that velocity?
 
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At what elevation?
At what humidity?
At what ect ect ect?

Ive seen lots of bullets with a claimed BC that dont work out in the real world. However i think .240 is pretty close to real world.
 
Elevation is 3000, as I am in AZ and that is the elevation I will be hunting mule deer. Humidity at 0% to 100% has a change of 2fps on velocity and a difference of 6 when it comes to ft-lbs @ 300yds.
 
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I’ve killed deer with that exact load. One of them on a buck facing directly towards me at 140 yards. The bullet broke the sternum and traveled through the entire deer exiting through a rear hip bone. That load just plan kills. Even if the energy tables show a drop off if you put a .451 diameter hole through the vitals your good!
 
I’ve killed deer with that exact load. One of them on a buck facing directly towards me at 140 yards. The bullet broke the sternum and traveled through the entire deer exiting through a rear hip bone. That load just plan kills. Even if the energy tables show a drop off if you put a .451 diameter hole through the vitals your good!
Absofreakinlutely brotha!. I've been shooting since age 7. Hunting since 8. Thats 50yrs of pretty vast experience with many diff types of weapons. I got into muzzleloading in my late 20's & being an old school all American country boy, I fell right in love with it. I've had & had the opportunity to shoot numerous .50 cal's ( both traditional & inline ) & a cpl .54 cal " cannons " as well. I too got all tied up in the great debate of bullet weight/length, caliber, muzzle velocity, kinetic energy, BC's - the whole ball of wax. I'm a pretty technical kinda guy so I loved all that. BUT There is NEVER enough discussion & focus on actual " shot placement " & using the right " type " of a projectile for your particular application is far more important is how I was taught as a boy & have seen that validated many times over through the years. Knowing that & understanding that principle has allowed me to take deer, hogs, fox, with as little as a .22 or a .177 air rifle - with shot placement. You'd be amazed at what all one can bring down with a lil ole .22. in knowing exactly where to put that bullet. Kind regards, keep shooting
 
Absofreakinlutely brotha!. I've been shooting since age 7. Hunting since 8. Thats 50yrs of pretty vast experience with many diff types of weapons. I got into muzzleloading in my late 20's & being an old school all American country boy, I fell right in love with it. I've had & had the opportunity to shoot numerous .50 cal's ( both traditional & inline ) & a cpl .54 cal " cannons " as well. I too got all tied up in the great debate of bullet weight/length, caliber, muzzle velocity, kinetic energy, BC's - the whole ball of wax. I'm a pretty technical kinda guy so I loved all that. BUT There is NEVER enough discussion & focus on actual " shot placement " & using the right " type " of a projectile for your particular application is far more important is how I was taught as a boy & have seen that validated many times over through the years. Knowing that & understanding that principle has allowed me to take deer, hogs, fox, with as little as a .22 or a .177 air rifle - with shot placement. You'd be amazed at what all one can bring down with a lil ole .22. in knowing exactly where to put that bullet. Kind regards, keep shooting
I killed a 250 lb black bear with a .22 cal. And your exactly correct with your post.
 
Been say'n it forever...…….. shot placement is KEY, always.
For example deer hunting...… you don't aim at the deer (which many apparently do), you aim for a spot on the deer and always consider a bullet's exit location.
High shots through the lungs, although fatal, may sometimes not leave much of a blood trail to follow. The reason is that there is more body cavity to fill be for extreme blood loss.
However, shoot a heart shot and there's less body cavity to fill before extreme blood loss.
 
When a deer has no heart left and 2 holes in them......they dont go too far.....Not an easy task at 300 yards. Ive done it many times at 100yard or less. A few times under 150yards. I would prefer to see the TMZ/TEZ type bullets impact at no less than 1400fps. You get much more reliable expansion and greater tissue trauma. A slight heart miss will still displace a lot of tissue including the heart and main arteries.

No expansion or very little is no better than a FMJ. Yep you got 2 holes but far less trauma vs that spinning death star
 
I spend quite a bit of time behind long range rifles, and shoot well past the 1000yd mark on a consistent basis. I am not worried about my abilities with shot placement or understanding how wind effects my bullet @ 300yds. Just kind of curious if anyone has input on bullet performance that has harvested animals at that range with similar ballistics to what I am shooting. At the end of the day it’s a completely different circumstance than my 300gr Berger @.818BC going 2860fps out of the .338 Edge.
 
I spend quite a bit of time behind long range rifles, and shoot well past the 1000yd mark on a consistent basis. I am not worried about my abilities with shot placement or understanding how wind effects my bullet @ 300yds. Just kind of curious if anyone has input on bullet performance that has harvested animals at that range with similar ballistics to what I am shooting. At the end of the day it’s a completely different circumstance than my 300gr Berger @.818BC going 2860fps out of the .338 Edge.

I've shot taken a few Midwest whitetail with Barnes bullets, but rather the 250gr TMZ, and at ranges from 200 to slightly short of 300. The charge was 110grs volume of BH209. The Barnes worked quite well for me. Never lost an animal or had a long tracking job. However I'm no longer using Barnes or a .50cal rifle, but rather a .45cal with other custom made bullets.
 
I put your info into a ballistics calculator and it didn't agree with your results:

It indicates at 300 yards you will have 816 ft lbs of energy and 1125 ft/s velocity. Even if I increase the bullet coefficient to 0.223 it will not come close your values.

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These are my numbers from shooters app?
And the bullet length, and diameter I ballparked, but either way you play with them it makes minimal difference because the B.C is in there.
 

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