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[QUOTE Only 45s ive seen were the Sportmans exclusives they sold for a short period of time. Those were very cool with the light contour Elite type barrels. Knight should bring those back in a 1-20 twist. The Sportmans 45 was a 1-30 twist.

Anything over a 420gr is a pretty long 45cal bullet for a 1-30 twist. Once you start getting over an inch long the 1-30 struggles and the 1-20 is just getting started.

I am not sure where it was bought originally but my father had bought it off an individual and it really loved the .452 488 gr BS better than the 465 gr. and it was a longer conical than the 465 gr. heck not even sure what the twist rate was on it but BOY HOWDY she was a shooter the only reason i sold it was to finish getting money to pay off my girlfriends books for collage.
 
NOTHING finer than the old, rugged, accurate and boringly reliable plunger guns! To me, they are the ultimate muzzleloaders.
I prefer non removable breech plugs. A bit tougher to find.
I have a .50 Firehawk, my most accurate muzzleloader. And a Black Diamond Super 45 XR
 
I never considered muzzleloading until I received a "gift" of what was left of a horribly neglected, used CVA Apollo. I used my limited range time to work on 600/1,000 yard .308 competition rifles at the time, and had thought of muzzleloading as a ridiculously pointless step backward - as in, nearly back to Og and his sons throwing rocks off of cliffs at mastodons. I initially just wanted to chuck everything but the barrel, and use that as a cheater bar for my 3/8" ratchet.

But I was curious as to whether there was actually a salvageable device capable of safely firing projectiles under all that rust, so I put about 20 hours, $30, and 2-3 gallons of elbow grease into it. About 2 months later, I took my first shots with a muzzleloader. T/C Cheap Shots with APP Pioneer and CCI #11 caps; managed a best of a 4" 5-shot group at 50 yards. I knew that the rifle itself was an abysmal piece of hardware, and that I'd gone too cheap on the load materials, but the intrigue of muzzleloading had taken hold of me by the time I left the range. I wanted to learn to do it right. Suddenly, using my scoped .30-06 on elk felt a bit like cheating. I stuck with my .30-06 while I was still in Colorado, but I knew I wouldn't be able to use it on ungulates anymore once Uncle Sam made me move again.

I picked up a pair of new CVA Elkhorn rifles (in blister packs) for $89 each, and started playing with them in my garage to see how I could get better performance out of them. That led me up to hinged breech muzzleloaders, and eventually a stainless/laminated Ruger 77/50 which sadly I sold before actually getting it dressed up for the range & firing it. But since leaving Colorado & retiring in Iowa, where scopes/209 primers/saboted bullets are all kosher, I've gotten to where I don't think I'll ever use anything on deer ever again that doesn't involve a ramrod, even during Iowa's "modern gun" seasons. Squeezing the trigger behind a single saboted bullet and some Blackhorn 209 is something I have more peace inside about doing than taking the same shot with a repeater or metallic cartridge rifle. I just feel much more as though I'm really part of the process of bringing down an animal in the interest of putting it on my family's table. It's just more intimate; I simply feel more alive, doing it that way.

And it all started with that plunger-fired CVA tomato stake, that an older friend just wanted out of his closet.
 
I do truly love my Austin & Halleck 420. It shoots lights-out and I appreciate the craftsmanship very much; makes me smile to pick it up.
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I just sold a stainless 50 cal A&H. Awesome weapon but too heavy to hunt with. I guess they came with a wood stock and a lighter composite stock.
 
LOL.....does your wife ever go in that room? If I had a room like that and my woman went in there she'd ask what I need all the gun for.....then I'd have to ask what she needs all those totes full of fabric for and then....well you get the idea.
 
Tom,
thats my gun/work room Ive got another closet full of more muzzleloaders and custom air rifles.. she gave up along time ago saying anything about my fishing/hunting addiction. She does still ask me why I need more then one to shoot though:) I tell it her it makes me happy just to look at them.
 
I love the display you've got there with the weathered wood. Very nice. I see the saw chains there as a reminder that you're never done with work too. lol
 
I actually made that barn wood wall back when I had about 40 custom recurves to display, the whole wall was covered with them..I now only have 2 recurves due to my shoulders being about shot and it hurts to shoot them much anymore, used to shoot a couple hours ever day during summer leading up to the season.
The chains belong to a Sthil 660 Magnum that I sold to a buddy and he forgot to take them, keep forgetting to give them to him every time I see him.
 
I absolutely love the Knight Wolverine guns especially the 45 cal. ones if you can find one anymore they make great conical shooters. I had one that I shot the Bull Shop .452 488 gr and 465 gr and boy they just flat lay down the deer where they was standing. But screwed up and sold it :wall::wall::wall: BUT man Id love to find another one to buy.
New old stock one on gun broker now
 

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