BIG Minie’s, BIG Powder Charges

GM54-120 said:

Oops my bad it was the 577 not the 460. Looks like the guy is at a indoor range. Wouldnt that be embarrassing.

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Thats it !!! Thats it !!! Aint it a beauty !!!!!
Thanks GM54--120 !!!!!!!

GM54-120 said:

Oops my bad it was the 577 not the 460. Looks like the guy is at a indoor test range. Wouldnt that be embarrassing.

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You may be right GM54--120 . I seem to remember the rifle going RIGHT THRU the glass behind the shooters !!!!
Oh , my sides hurt.......this is hard on a fella !!!!

If you think thats somethin......
My buddy and shooting partner for several years was the #2 ranked sniper in Vietnam . He went on a safari in S. Africa . When they arrived he was told to get his rifle out and make sure of its zero after being transported by air then jeep to the camp . So.he uncased his 460 weatherby and while loading it up they gave this helper/bush beater/ gun bearer a target and told him to get it downrange . When my friend turned around he saw that guy HOLDING THE TARGET AT ARMS LENGTH OFF TO HIS SIDE !!!! My buddy nearly crapped his pants !!! He was told if he missed or the gun was off , another would freely take his place ........Hows THAT for WOW FACTOR !!!!!!!

LMAO. At the video

herschel conyers said:

LMAO. At the video

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Thats ok herschel my story causes a completely different reaction called a "pucker" . Can you imagine THAT right before your very eyes happening ?!?!?!? I could not have shot.......nope . Life is cheap there .

I always wondered what brand of powder Val used when loading that up Hawken Hunter. Back then DuPont/Gearhart-Owen from PA and C&H from Scotland were the ready available powders and neither were as energetic as current red can Goex. Yet alone Swiss. I have many full cans of 1970's DuPont, G-O, and C&H that I aquired back in the '80's when I started shooting ML'ers. I have an October Country Great American Sporting Rifle .69 that is rated to 210gr. of unspecified FFg. I shot 180gr. of red can Goex 2Fg and it would barely break 1500 fps. Adding more Goex powder didn't gain any velocity. But when I tried 180gr. of Swiss 1.5Fg the velocity went up 250 fps!

451whitworth said:

I always wondered what brand of powder Val used when loading that up Hawken Hunter. Back then DuPont/Gearhart-Owen from PA and C&H from Scotland were the ready available powders and neither were as energetic as current red can Goex. Yet alone Swiss. I have many full cans of 1970's DuPont, G-O, and C&H that I aquired back in the '80's when I started shooting ML'ers. I have an October Country Great American Sporting Rifle .69 that is rated to 210gr. of unspecified FFg. I shot 180gr. of red can Goex 2Fg and it would barely break 1500 fps. Adding more Goex powder didn't gain any velocity. But when I tried 180gr. of Swiss 1.5Fg the velocity went up 250 fps!

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This is the 1 concern i have, and have Thought QUITE a bit about, NO DOUBT this Swiss 3F is Gonna be HOTTER than whatever Val used? Which was VERY likely Goex, I am leaning toward 150 Grains first and see how that Pans out? If it’s Clear in the Morning i am Gonna Do this

Idaholewis said:

This is the 1 concern i have, and have Thought QUITE a bit about, NO DOUBT this Swiss 3F is Gonna be HOTTER than whatever Val used? Which was VERY likely Goex, I am leaning toward 150 Grains first and see how that Pans out? If it’s Clear in the Morning i am Gonna Do this

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Gosh i didnt realize there was That Much difference in Holy Black !!! Thats a wise decision Lewis . No Point in exceeding Safe Pressures. That Swiss is the "Blackhorn of Black" then !!! Thats a HUGE difference in velocity 451 whitworth got !!!! You be SAFE out there first and foremost !!! Youre a pretty darn Valueable Guy ya know !!!

Swiss the the "hottest" bp you can get.

My guess for results on this-
complaints about recoil
poor accuracy

Dave951 said:

Swiss the the "hottest" bp you can get.

My guess for results on this-
complaints about recoil
poor accuracy

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I’m not even Shooting it for Accuracy this go around, i just want Chrono Data. I am on way out the Door right now to Do this

Anybody hear anything ?? Its been about 2hrs now........

Ya, but pretty sure it was distant thunder. Pretty sure anyhow....
Walk

Like some of you have pointed out - the butt design will probably be the ‘hurting’ factor.
I’ve shot a friend’s original H&H 8 bore double, breechloading hammergun - 900gr conical over 8drams (220gr) if BP.
Double Gun weighed 20 pounds, it wasn’t as bad I I thought. Weight, stock and wide butt plate all helped I’m sure.
Lewis will have fun..

Here it is Fella’s, I tried 150 Grains of Swiss 3F powder First, NOT A PROBLEM! Then bumped up to 170 Grains. This is Probably Not what you were expecting? But Remember, i weigh 235 Pounds and i understand how to Shoot Heavy Recoiling Rifles Very Well, The Ole Navy Arms Hawken Hunter Took it NO PROBLEM, I would Actually Elk hunt with this EXACT Same Load if Accuracy was there. It would be DEVASTATING On BIG Critters

Watched the YouTube upload just now and my goodness that’s awesome. A ton of penetration with those big minies

Nice job!!
Damn, I shoulda stayed with my original velocity prediction. My gut was screaming at me for 1730fps. Lol
Walk

Steelheader323 said:

Watched the YouTube upload just now and my goodness that’s awesome. A ton of penetration with those big minies

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YEP! This Setup would be a DEVASTATING HAMMER on Big Game!! She DRIVES Them BIG Bullets HARD The Rifle is Designed to Take it, I felt 110% Safe The 180 Grain Load i Originally planned to Go with in the Beginning of this Thread would have been NO PROBLEM.

What you guy’s didn’t see is the 1st Shot with 150 Grains of Powder, That Velocity was 1,577 FPS, And 170 Grains of Swiss 3F Gave 1,670 FPS, SO 20 extra Grains of Powder gave me 100 Extra FPS

This 170 Grain Swiss 3F Load is NO SLOUCH! When you can Push a 540 Grain .58 Cal Slug Right at 1,700 Fps Delivering 3,345 Ft lbs of Energy, That’s an ATTENTION GRABBER

Thanks, You handled that recoil really well. I'm kind of surprised that exit hole wasn't any bigger.

Idaholewis said:

YEP! This Setup would be a DEVASTATING HAMMER on Big Game!! She DRIVES Them BIG Bullets HARD The Rifle is Designed to Take it, I felt 110% Safe The 180 Grain Load i Originally planned to Go with in the Beginning of this Thread would have been NO PROBLEM.

What you guy’s didn’t see is the 1st Shot with 150 Grains of Powder, That Velocity was 1,577 FPS, And 170 Grains of Swiss 3F Gave 1,670 FPS, SO 20 extra Grains of Powder gave me 100 Extra FPS

This 170 Grain Swiss 3F Load is NO SLOUCH! When you can Push a 540 Grain .58 Cal Slug Right at 1,700 Fps Delivering 3,345 Ft lbs of Energy, That’s an ATTENTION GRABBER

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Whats beautiful about that Really Big Lead the numbers cant show . Its the freight train MOMENTUM !!!!!! They Dont STOP !!!! High velocity lighter bullets CANT give you that . IF THEY ARE BIG ENOUGH they will also NOT DEFLECT EASILY !!!!! Ive shot those 766gr slugs and hit tbe outer third CURVATURE of an 8in dia hardwood , blew it OUT OF THE WAY , and STILL SMASHED the shoulders of a trotting 10pt 30 yds beyond that tree at dusk / dark . DRT !!!! Yep river bottom deer huntin is a LITTLE different !!! All kinds of stuff gets in tbe way . Oh yea , the bullet exited .!!!!! Ready to go Lewis ?? Id say so !!!!!!! Good job !!!!!