.50 cal omega no excuses .451 sabots

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will the .50 cal t/c omega rifle stabilize the no excuses 400 grain .451 flat base and boat tail sabots out to 150 yds? the odds that i'll take a shot beyond 100 yds are nil(more like 10-80 yds), but i'd like a little wiggle room. i don't want to get involved with removing the qla.

if you think the 400 grain sabots will work, suggested charge with goex ffg? and for bh209 once i get around to picking some up?

there's a particularly fat black bear i have in mind who has nine lives, and he used up four of them this year.
 
If you are talking sabots I don’t see why not..the qla doesn’t effect saboted bullets
 
just want to make sure the 50 cal 1:28 twist will spin a 400 grain .451 saboted bullet fast enough to stabilize it down range @ ~1000-1800 ft elevation. if it's marginally stable, maybe i should stay below 350 gr.
 
I think stabilization should have more to do with the bullet length vs. the weight. However, I'm not the most knowledgeable person on ballistics.
 
length is definitely a factor. the bullet length isn't listed and i don't know the muzzle velocity. using some estimation, i suspect 1:28 is sufficient up to ~1.1" length for a .451 diameter lead bullet . just figured there'd be a consensus. just sent the owner an email to ask his opinion.
 
W/O knowing your mv, i just tried the JBM stability calculator with 1100, 1350, & 1900 mv. All 3 give good stability estimates for your 400 grn bullet. So don't forget pics when you get that bear.
 
length is definitely a factor. the bullet length isn't listed and i don't know the muzzle velocity. using some estimation, i suspect 1:28 is sufficient up to ~1.1" length for a .451 diameter lead bullet . just figured there'd be a consensus. just sent the owner an email to ask his opinion.
Another good bullet for a 50 with 1 in 28 is the .458 400gr barnes original . When you pull the trigger though with 120gr of Blackhorn in it youre gonna wish youd just wrestled that bear instead !!! Mules aint got much on that . Seriously youll be fine . Stability wont be a problem for your conical in the sabot . Just dont hunt out of a tree with a heavy dose of powder !!!!
If those sabots are for boat tail bullets it wont be any good accuracy . Get sabots for flat based bullets .
 
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i received a reply. as you say, they should stabilize fine. the length of these bullets is 1.07".

120 grains of blackhorn? ha. i was thinking something in the 80-90 gr goex ffg would be sufficient? maybe 80 gr bh209? we don't have polar bears in pa.

i arrowed my buck this year the monday after the archery bear season ended. the shot was good but the blood trail was not. i lost the trail, i expect, when he pulled a 90 and made a last ditch flat out run after loosing enough bp. i did check for this scenario but ultimately was about thirty yards shy of recovering him that night. i spent most of my time trying to pickup the trail on his last heading. so i started to get nervous and backed out. i live ~70 miles away and this spot is ~1.5 mile back. backing out was a risk. coyotes and bear abound. upon my return, a bear had left its calling card. i've been archery hunting ~20 years. i'm was surprised i didn't see him fall. i was in a climber at 25 yds. the buck was broadside. i wish i could have gotten a look at the exit hole. the entry was a bit higher than i'd like but with the angle the exit should have been good.

i had the big bear in front of me three times during the archery season- @ 40, 50, and 80 yds. i had him @ 80 yards in the last half hour of the first day of rifle/extended bear season. i was on the ground, and the frozen ground along with a well placed stand of saplings saved him again. he looked like an elephant strolling through the woods. between the pressure and a winter storm i'm fairly certain he denned up and i didn't see him again. on the second to last day of the extended season i took my 2nd bear. i feel a bit bad about it as he was a 70 lb 1st year cub. in my defense, he was by himself, and i had seconds to make a decision. i've only just begun to figure them out, and they're one of the few animals that can still get me worked up.
 

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last year wasn't too bad. finally drew an elk tag- been putting in from the start. she was a 13 yr old cow.
 

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last year wasn't too bad. finally drew an elk tag- been putting in from the start. she was a 13 yr old cow.
I see you got a kick out of that 120grV blackhorn load . Most would . I like recoil so thats normal for me !!! I think i like it when not only they feel the shot but the entire ancestry too lol !!!
The load youve described should be ok i suppose . It is a lead conical and theyll work with lower velocity really well .
Nice critters youve tagged !!!
 
i'm not particularly recoil sensitive. i just don't like the loads that will part your brow if you forget your scope's turned up (fixed eye relief is a good thing). my 12 ga has bitten me a couple times during spring turkey and i have matching pair of crescent shaped scars to prove it. and two gobblers;) not to mention, i remember what a 150gr ffg 240 xtp load felt like when i owned a 209x50 encore barrel years ago.

your load sounds like a beast.
 
Lol , yea i do like it . Big lead is gonna smack that bear right into his heavenly promotion !!! Their called "No Excuses" for a reason ya know !!!!
 
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