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Rlsmith

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Just want to make a observation that bears today verses bears in the 1840,50s are very superior than there forefathers. I make this obversation because I see so much nonsense on all these other so called traditional sites and they state with knowledge that a round ball in a 50 or 54 is not so good on bears all I can do is shake my head at there comments they believe that you must have a very large conical or a super magnum to kill a bear.
 
Just want to make a observation that bears today verses bears in the 1840,50s are very superior than there forefathers. I make this obversation because I see so much nonsense on all these other so called traditional sites and they state with knowledge that a round ball in a 50 or 54 is not so good on bears all I can do is shake my head at there comments they believe that you must have a very large conical or a super magnum to kill a bear.
Personally i like having too much gun except when bird hunting regardless of the species involved . Lost a BIG 8pt once when it jumped a fence after being lung shot with an "adequate" round . That cured THAT real quick !!! Wasnt the rounds fault or mine but still lost the deer to 6 askholfs who thought it was funny while shoving me around . Never Again !!!!!! regardless of why.....or where !!!!! There are more reasons for a MAGNUM than youve considered . Its a better choice than a sidearm with a BIG magazine . I dont have a problem carrying that these days either .
 
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Personally I think black bears are pretty soft. I've only killed a 1/2 dozen of them but they seem to expire faster than deer.
 
Just want to make a observation that bears today verses bears in the 1840,50s are very superior than there forefathers. I make this obversation because I see so much nonsense on all these other so called traditional sites and they state with knowledge that a round ball in a 50 or 54 is not so good on bears all I can do is shake my head at there comments they believe that you must have a very large conical or a super magnum to kill a bear.

Well if you change the words from bear to men, then I would say the men from the 1840's-50's were far more superior then the men today at harvesting those bears.... just a thought
 
Well if you change the words from bear to men, then I would say the men from the 1840's-50's were far more superior then the men today at harvesting those bears.... just a thought
That my friend is really the point isn't it these so call experts today if a lot of them would really see a big black bear in person they would **** there self
 
Lol, so true, don't you just love some of the pictures posted of a scrawny 125lb bear, with the smiling hunter, bragging about his .300 win magnum and how it got the job done over bait from 40 yards.....
 
Lol, so true, don't you just love some of the pictures posted of a scrawny 125lb bear, with the smiling hunter, bragging about his .300 win magnum and how it got the job done over bait from 40 yards.....
Yeah that is my whole point to this thread and then they have the balls to give advice about us who still like the round ball. Now is a big conical better than a round ball yes it is but all I'm saying a round ball will work just fine in the hands if a man that knows what he is doing.
 
Yes Sir, in the hands of the right person, it'll do a fine job, I dont want to take away from harvesting a smaller animal, by calling a 125lb bear scrawny, bear, deer or what ever you're after, they're all trophys to me when they're in the freezer
 
Black bears “give up the ghost” the quickest of all North American big game. Elk are the toughest. Use enough gun for each, maintain discipline and self control with your shot AT ALL COSTS. This means both range and placement. Then both of these animals are easily taken with a round ball. Cheating will result in failure.
Walk
 
Magnumitis...it is real. Some folk's preference of what they think is needed can be pretty funny, but to each their own. If they want to shoot a high recoil major blood shot producing rifle, good for them. I myself much prefer a light to medium recoil with a projectile that will penetrate, flatten or expand, but not come apart. I can see the advantage of an overkill setup when the terrain is nasty and you want to anchor them. They do also help in a poor hit situation.
I've also found that bears seem to expire quicker than deer. Their stamina isn't very good. 100% agree with Walk's statement about elk, their stamina and will to live is incredible. As long as the projectile has the ability to go through both lungs the lungs are going to bleed like crazy, fill up, and result in an animal that can't breathe anymore...whatever the animal. Do want a projectile that will flatten or mushroom, just poking a caliber size hole doesn't kill as efficiently.
I think sometimes a lost animal that the shooter thinks they hit good behind the shoulder was either quartering away or toward and resulted in only a one lung hit. We all know they can go a long ways in that case. I've shot several animals that I thought were perfectly broadside and when I recovered them the entry and exit show that it wasn't. The angle can be deceiving in some terrain.
 
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