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I want to jump in here, and I am a rookie with black powder. I own a couple but they aren't in the best condition. I have a TC 54cal rifle that I think is a Renegade, but it does not say "Renegade" on the barrel. Does that matter? The serial number is 23749.

And my next question is about twist rate. Is there a resource that I can go to that will explain the logic behind various twist rates in firearms? It seems to me that a lighter projectile requires a faster twist, but there must be more to it than that.

Thanks for your tolerance of my position on the learning curve. I don't need a long dissertation here because I know that can limit your patience, but a link to a favorite information source is much appreciated. Thank You.
 
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BZimm said:
I want to jump in here, and I am a rookie with black powder. I own a couple but they aren't in the best condition. I have a TC 54cal rifle that I think is a Renegade, but it does not say "Renegade" on the barrel. Does that matter? The serial number is 23749.

And my next question is about twist rate. Is there a resource that I can go to that will explain the logic behind various twist rates in firearms? It seems to me that a lighter projectile requires a faster twist, but there must be more to it than that.

Thanks for your tolerance of my position on the learning curve. I don't need a long dissertation here because I know that can limit your patience, but a link to a favorite information source is much appreciated. Thank You.
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Some don’t say “Renegade” on them, i have a Few of those

You have Twist backwards. In short, Twist Rate goes off Bullet Length/weight. The Faster the Rifle Twist, the Longer and Heavier a projectile it will Stabalize
 
I once had a .54 percussion I put together from a kit. It was accurate with PRB and Maxi-Ball. The gun came up fast with a hunting coat on due to the shotgun type butt and steel plate. I took the factory rear sight off and mounted the TC peep sight. Killed a nice doe in an old apple orchard the first time out with it. For some reason, I decided to trade it off for a Lyman GPR ball gun. The Renegade was a good gun though.
 
James, do you think you traded a Cadilac for a Chevy? I hear some good and some bad with the Lymans lately.
 
ihookem said:
James, do you think you traded a Cadilac for a Chevy? I hear some good and some bad with the Lymans lately.
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I’m not James, But I’ll throw in my .02 Cents Since i own Both :)

I own a Lyman GP Hunter in .54 Cal, and Several Renegades, I bought the Lyman Great Plains Hunter Rifle Brand New over at Buffalo Arms (It was My 1st Brand New in the Box Current Production Muzzleloader) After some Modifications I Learned to like my Lyman GP, But I Personally Don’t Feel that it’s in the Same League as my TC’s, The Renegades are Shorter, Easier to Handle, BEEFY Built WORKHORSE Rifles. The Lyman is LONG with it’s 32” Barrel, They are a more “Finesse” Look/Feel Gun, more of a ”Traditional” Looking Rifle if that’s what a Guy is in to?
 
If that Renegade is still on the shelf when I get up north, I will likely buy it I guess. I do have a question on these side locks. Say it just got too hard to find a TC Hawken or Renegade? Is there a custom muzzleloader builder that would build a simple good quality muzzleloader fro me?
 
ihookem said:
James, do you think you traded a Cadilac for a Chevy? I hear some good and some bad with the Lymans lately.
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Absolutely not. I did the swap 20+ years ago. I love my GPR. It has beautiful wood, very nice bluing (I know, should be browned, but very nice anyway) and is accurate if I do my part. I installed the fixed rear sight and a Hawken-style silver front blade. Love everything about the gun. That being said, The T/C guns are/were very good quality. I own a .50 Hawken now. I just wanted, and still prefer, the GPR. It's just a tad more "realistic" to me.
 
I just put some money down on a unfired 50 cal Renegade, found it at a pawn shop for 250.00, the previous owner kept renewing his loan so many times the gun was paid for 3 times over.I got there the same day it was put out, to bad the guy fell into hard times, I have been there before it's no fun, Can't wait to shoot it.
 
Cant go wrong with a Renegade I have them rebored/relined in 45 /50/54/58/610 courtesy of Bob Hoyt in all my favorite twists fast to slow 1-18 to 1-70 and in between, extra barrels are cheap and Bob is (REASONABLE)with quality !
 

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