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Good Stuff Jeff!! :lewis: Your Breech plug Setups must REALLY make a Big difference in igniting BH209, When i had the Failure to ignite (Bullets Popped out and Rolled down the Rd) it was in my New Knight Mountaineer, I had a New Lehigh Breech Plug that i had Shimmed/Headspaced for Win 209s to Get a few Thou “Crush”, i was Getting ZERO Blowback. My Wads were my usual Oversized Wool Felt (.50 Cal wads in a .45 Bore) bullets were Jacketed and LOOSE Fitting, They went down with ZERO resistance, And i got ZERO ignition, I could not get that Load to Fire, i tried SEVERAL times, This is when i had the Bullets Pop out 10 yards or so and Roll down the Rd. Luckily i had Brought along some Tight Fitting .060 Vege Fibre Wads that day, When i pushed one of the TIGHT Vege Fiber Wads Down and Leaned on the Rod, putting SOLID PRESSURE on it, I was able to get Most of them to Fire. To me it Simply wasn’t Worth messing with, i went Back to Real Blackpowder.
 
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........... it's always the same VOLUME! Has been since 2008.

I haven't weighed a Blackhorn 209 charge since I figured this out way back in 2008, and later proved to myself after chronographing loads through 2009. You just need to be able to consistently measure charges by VOLUME. If you need a crutch, then stick to a scale.


Jeff,

I've gotten blasted over the last 12 years for coming to the same conclusion as you when switching from one lot to the next, that you just put out in your video. Ironically, by some of the same people that you shoot competitions with, and others before and after you guys showed up here. I've never wavered from my findings. But, I'm just some dumb hunter that don't shoot in competitions.

Thanks for the video!


Another thing I discovered way back in 2008, is using the 0.060" thick veggie wads, .518" in the .50's, and .462" in the .45's. They not only help to provide in ignition, but help seal out the elements when using land rider or saboted bullets. If you use wool wads, then using the next bore size diameter has worked best for me. .50 cal wool wads in the .45's, and .54 cal wool wads in the .50's.

You have no doubt bursted several bubble heads, but my bubble is still holding air. Hopefully they don't blast you for your conclusions for the next twelve years, and beyond!
 
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........... it's always the same VOLUME! Has been since 2008.

I haven't weighed a Blackhorn 209 charge since I figured this out way back in 2008, and later proved to myself after chronographing loads through 2009. You just need to be able to consistently measure charges by VOLUME. If you need a crutch, then stick to a scale.


Jeff,

I've gotten blasted over the last 12 years for coming to the same conclusion as you when switching from one lot to the next, that you just put out in your video. Ironically, by some of the same people that you shoot competitions with, and others before and after you guys showed up here. I've never wavered from my findings. But, I'm just some dumb hunter that don't shoot in competitions.

Thanks for the video!


Another thing I discovered way back in 2008, is using the 0.060" thick veggie wads, .518" in the .50's, and .462" in the .45's. They not only help to provide in ignition, but help seal out the elements when using land rider or saboted bullets. If you use wool wads, then using the next bore size diameter has worked best for me. .50 cal wool wads in the .45's, and .54 cal wool wads in the .50's.

You have no doubt bursted several bubble heads, but my bubble is still holding air. Hopefully they don't blast you for your conclusions for the next twelve years, and beyond!
Busta you helped me and i recognize that . Thank you !!! My chronograph came up lame so ive flown by the seat of my pants for awhile now . I just very recently replaced it .
Many here fight everything thats new or different about anything . Ive ALOT more to give but reached a point of just why should i ??? To listen to what ??? Im also very pleased to be backed up by Jeff on his recent posts on much . Thanks again and congrats too .
 
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When you weigh something you always have the same amount of that "something". In this case its a fuel. In the case of say fermenting cabbage its salt. You cant swap volumetric amounts of Kosher salt and table salt to achieve the same salinity of a brine. Fuel is no different.

It takes X amount of the actual fuel to achieve a desired result. Wether that result is speed or miles you want to go. So if the amount of fuel (propellent) i add by weight goes up, so does the velocity. This is assuming the chemical composition is the same and in similar amounts. Guys have been weighing real black for ages in competitive long range matches.
 
When you weigh something you always have the same amount of that "something". In this case its a fuel. In the case of say fermenting cabbage its salt. You cant swap volumetric amounts of Kosher salt and table salt to achieve the same salinity of a brine. Fuel is no different.

It takes X amount of the actual fuel to achieve a desired result. Wether that result is speed or miles you want to go. So if the amount of fuel (propellent) i add by weight goes up, so does the velocity. This is assuming the chemical composition is the same and in similar amounts. Guys have been weighing real black for ages in competitive long range matches.
The second to last sentence is the key to the whole show there GM54-120 . We cant assume this for all applications . Be nice but no .
 
Busta you helped me and i recognize that . Thank you !!! My chronograph came up lame so ive flown by the seat of my pants for awhile now . I just very recently replaced it .
Many here fight everything thats new or different about anything . Ive ALOT more to give but reached a point of just why should i ??? To listen to what ??? Im also very pleased to be backed up by Jeff on his recent posts on much . Thanks again and congrats too .

Exactly why I don't participate much on here anymore. I did a ton of Blackhorn 209 testing and research back in 2008 and 2009 especially. Even posted some of it here.

For the average hunter shooting out to 200 yards or so, it don't make one whit of difference.

This has all been discussed, several times before. Once I figured out the exact science of Volumetric measuring consistency for Blackhorn 209, I've never looked back. Not once!
 
Listening to the video pretty much confirmed it. As actual weight went up from lot to lot so did velocity. So there must be more fuel burning. Westerns SDS gives a pretty wide percentage of nitrate esters and that is the actual fuel. The rest is basically filler and oxidizer.

I weigh just for one reason. Its simple with my RCBS and there is no powder loss. I would never do it if i had to use a beam scale.
 
Lot to lot and purity and potency being key for all fuels . Even atmospheric conditions . Your computer controled car tune up is no different and still subject to those factors . And it automatically tunes on the fly ......
 
This was ONE of the several times we have hashed this out. Bestill had most of the information right in front of him last July. The picture of his data has went AWOL, but the numbers were published and discussed.

Most will eventually come around, but not all.

Here is a spirited one from last June and July. Jeff never did answer my question about how he is measuring by VOLUME, but this video just did. I guess he was real close last July, but now has went full on VOLUME, scales be damned. As it should be!

https://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/threads/blackhorn-density.33986/


If you don't believe I've said it a thousand times, here is a few that go all the way back to 2008. Several more where that came from.

https://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/...r_than]=2008-03-31&c[users]=Busta&o=relevance

I was just wondering how some of you guys like your Crow? Hope you like it raw, feathers and all. Bon Appétit!
 
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How do you know if the ratio of nitro / oxidizer is the same ?? You dont know if one is richer or leaner nor which one it is . Youve Assumed one was lean in combustion . Could be the other way around and it was rich running Slower . Once the oxygen/oxidizer is gone cumbustion stops . Regardless if nitro is still available or not . Planet Earth's rules . Theyre Both Solids with MASS .

Besides all that for Jeff to be able to pull off the amazing feats of markmanship that hes Shared the amount of trigger time he Must put in is ENORMOUS . That in itself along with a fine mind tells me , Especially if Opinion Changed , that his efforts are indeed Valid Conclusions .
If his word is Golden for other things whats suddenly changed ??
Busta also reached the same conclusions and also spent time at Western Powders .
This , to me , looks pretty difficult to refute this level of study AND for what reason ???
I would think Reasonable Minds could handle all this just dandy.......
 
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Nitrate ester has its own oxygen. The additional oxidizer added is more than likey for the carbon they add for the "smoke". Smokeless powder will burn in a total vacuum. What we dont know is the amount of nitrate esters from lot to lot. The SDS does not give the exact percentage but it is the main "fuel" ingredient. Only upto 10% is some kind of carbon so its energy would be quite low vs a nitrate ester.
 
Wait for it...............















........... it's always the same VOLUME! Has been since 2008.

I haven't weighed a Blackhorn 209 charge since I figured this out way back in 2008, and later proved to myself after chronographing loads through 2009. You just need to be able to consistently measure charges by VOLUME. If you need a crutch, then stick to a scale.


Jeff,

I've gotten blasted over the last 12 years for coming to the same conclusion as you when switching from one lot to the next, that you just put out in your video. Ironically, by some of the same people that you shoot competitions with, and others before and after you guys showed up here. I've never wavered from my findings. But, I'm just some dumb hunter that don't shoot in competitions.

Thanks for the video!


Another thing I discovered way back in 2008, is using the 0.060" thick veggie wads, .518" in the .50's, and .462" in the .45's. They not only help to provide in ignition, but help seal out the elements when using land rider or saboted bullets. If you use wool wads, then using the next bore size diameter has worked best for me. .50 cal wool wads in the .45's, and .54 cal wool wads in the .50's.

You have no doubt bursted several bubble heads, but my bubble is still holding air. Hopefully they don't blast you for your conclusions for the next twelve years, and beyond!
Damn you are good Busta, never wrong i like that
 
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