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ENCORE50A

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I know someone tested BH using 209 primers, but this test is using LRMP's and Arrowhead rifles module system.

BH209 ignition in -3° temp.

21hrs ago I swabbed my barrel of lubricants with a 50/50 mixture of 91% alcohol and Hoppes. After swabbing out any lubricants, I ran 2 dry patches down the bore.

I loaded the rifle with 100grs by weight of BH (NOT FOR PRODUCTION RIFLES), added a .060" veggie wad, then loaded a 300gr Fury ST2 bullet seated tight. Then the rifle was put into an unheated second garage and left for 21hrs. I got the rifle out and left it on the porch for an hour prior to discharging it.

Dang it is cold! There was not one single bit of hesitation in ignition. Spot on! I have 100% confidence in my rifle, this load and the Arrowhead rifles LRMP's in modules.

 
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Muley Hunter

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Our muzzleloader season is mid Sept. It's usually 80 degrees.

No ignition problems but sweat is a sure thing.
 

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I don’t see BH issues with temp alone as smokeless powders have been around in CF for well over a century.

Issues with BH bloopers out the barrel 20’ in ML are probably more related to the tightness of the bullet in order to give BH209 the resistance it needs to properly ignite/burn.
 

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Good test:lewis:

The short flame path in the Gen2 plug should ignite just about anything in very cold temps
 

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I don’t see BH issues with temp alone as smokeless powders have been around in CF for well over a century.

Issues with BH bloopers out the barrel 20’ in ML are probably more related to the tightness of the bullet in order to give BH209 the resistance it needs to properly ignite/burn.
ABSOLUTELY Agree!! That was my issue with BH209, It simply does not work with my Slip Fit “Land Riding” Bullets, BH requires X amount of Loading force, How much? Who knows? I have seen 19#, 80-90#, 105# of force Suggested, Along with a “Thump”
 

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I will get hammered for this but it is my opinion that if people shot black powder instead of watered down smokeless powder they would have a lot less problems.
This is precisely what i did :lewis: I had no problems with Real Blackpowder all the way out to 600 Yards, in fact it was an EASY shoot with a Scope, and that was with my BIG HEAVY Slow moving Paper Patch Bullets.

I’m not trying to convert ANYONE, i simply DON’T CARE what you Shoot. Shoot What works best for you, and you are confident in, at the end of the Day YOU are the only one YOU need to please.

I have said it before, and here again, There will be MORE N MORE Hangfire, Fail to Fire, Stop and Start Ignition Threads/Posts on BH209 as MORE N MORE affordable BH209 Compatible Guns become available. This WON’T be the Powders fault, it will ultimately be the USERS Fault, BH209 is FINICKY in it’s Requirements, if they are NOT Met, FAILURE AWAITS YOU
 

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One nice thing about the Fury bullets, there's no spring back. When I set the zero after moving the scope forward in the rail, I verified they would still load properly. Then I decided to run them through the sizing die anyway, which would have been the third sizing. Checked and they loaded, with the gage at 12#. That bullet shot this morning was one of those that loaded at 12#. However, I still thump them when seating them on the propellant ;)

Good test:lewis:

The short flame path in the Gen2 plug should ignite just about anything in very cold temps
Yup!
 

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It depends on the gun Lewis. Sidelocks sure have their share of ignition problems with real black. An inline using 209 primers and real black should be the safest gun you can use for ignition. Also, if you're using Goex you need a good load of it to equal BH.

No powder has it all for everybody.
 

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It depends on the gun Lewis. Sidelocks sure have their share of ignition problems with real black. An inline using 209 primers and real black should be the safest gun you can use for ignition. Also, if you're using Goex you need a good load of it to equal BH.

No powder has it all for everybody.
I can honestly say that i have NEVER EVER had any form of issue with Swiss Real Blackpowder in ANY of my Sidelocks, I own a 64 Gun safe PACKED to the Rafters with them, i shoot More in 1 year than MANY of you will Shoot in your Entire Lifetime. But it’s the same thing with BH209, if you do EVERYTHING Correct it goes off without a Hitch. The key with a Sidelock is Proper Preparation, NO Different than Guy’s that Know how to Run BH209, They Know how to Prep the Rifle so that it will Go off
 

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I can honestly say that i have NEVER EVER had any form of issue with Swiss Real Blackpowder in ANY of my Sidelocks, I own a 64 Gun safe PACKED to the Rafters with them, i shoot More in 1 year than MANY of you will Shoot in your Entire Lifetime. But it’s the same thing with BH209, if you do EVERYTHING Correct it goes off without a Hitch. The key with a Sidelock is Proper Preparation, NO Different than Guy’s that Know how to Run BH209, They Know how to Prep the Rifle so that it will Go off
I don't have a problem either but all you need to do is go to a traditional forum and look at the problems some guys have with ignition. Just like guys have with BH in inlines. Just because you don't have a problem doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.

However, we're off topic.
 

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My fail to fires have been so few it not worth mentioning them. When TGinPA (RIP) tested powders for temp sensitivity he did it with a chrono/RSI strain gauge to see velocity loss and pressure change if any. That tells far more of the story about what is going on. While a RSI strain gauge is a bit of an expensive,,,,, cold vs warm chrono data could be interesting.
 

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I did forget to mention that I had removed the brake when shooting a week or so ago. NO BRAKE in the video.
 

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I don't have a problem either but all you need to do is go to a traditional forum and look at the problems some guys have with ignition. Just like guys have with BH in inlines. Just because you don't have a problem doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.

However, we're off topic.
i agree
 

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The only mis-fire I have had in cold weather/hunting happened this fall and not because of the 209 powder in the cold but rather because I failed to make certain the flash channel in the plug was clear after shooting the gun just prior to the deer season. BH209 has always functioned just fine with many kills to its credit.

Encore, thanks for the severe cold test.
 
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