nope , what i was trying to say is i could use my 45-70 and by their standard declare either way,My response was sarcasm 45--70 . You miss that ???
nopeMy response was sarcasm 45--70 . You miss that ???
nope , what i was trying to say is i could use my 45-70 and by their standard declare either way,My response was sarcasm 45--70 . You miss that ???
nopeMy response was sarcasm 45--70 . You miss that ???
Lol , by their standards yes you could !!! Not much differemce !!!nope , what i was trying to say is i could use my 45-70 and by their standard declare either way,
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On its(traditions) interior dimensions that looks something like a bottle necked cartridge with an oversized bore . Like a DeLaval Constriction where that shelf is . I wonder WHY its not bulging the barrel ??? Its always been my understanding with black or subs you CANT do that !!! A high pressure area is created a couple of inches ahead of the constriction that rings barrels badly and is very unsafe !!! That powder must have been engineered just for this use !!! There is no other way . It sure isnt bussiness as usual to have this constriction operational . THIS IS A BIG DEAL !!!!!!! IF tbey sell this stuff loose the same bottle neck principles could be used instead of the straight walled style powder area we have now . Swinglock mz's are made this way !!!! The powder is the KEY !!!!!nope , what i was trying to say is i could use my 45-70 and by their standard declare either way,
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Blackhorn and the DeLaval Constriction that is there in that barrel wont mix .Traditions claims in the video they worked with Federal and Hodgdon to make the "sticks". They give credit to Hodgdon for the powder so the rep is either uniformed or keeping his mouth shut.
I guess the other possibility is they dont make it....Its just BH209 rebranded under a license agreement. After seeing videos of the firing, it appeared to have even less smoke than BH209 so i think that is unlikely.
They don't allow smokeless muzzleloaders though.One more company that is trying a proprietary system. There have been a number of others that have tried and failed. I'm sure there will be a few that will drink the coolaid and buy, but down the road when they don't sell enough rifles to support making the Fiddlesticks, those people will be SOL.
With that being said, I'm sure Michigan will allow them. Michigan will allow anything, guns, bows, spears, blowgun, knife in teeth. MDNR wants all the deer dead.
Yes please go take a nap. I have to figure out how to get the image of you in the shower with a bandolier full of pink camo fiddlesticks outta my head. Thx fer that.I gotta get off of this thread now. Starting to wonder if I'm having a reaction to my new meds and just imagining all of this. But if this thread's still here when I log on tomorrow, I'll know it wasn't just a weird half-awake dream.
They don't allow smokeless muzzleloaders though.
I think they might be a little over optimistic.
......"Traditions company, it will have no legal problems at all in all but “about 10 states.” Traditions is in contact with the legislative activists and regulatory agencies in those states to hopefully overcome these obstacles."......
https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/...-change-muzzleloading-forever-shot-show-2020/
I thought they were going to shoot it. Nope!
The 100 grain Volumetric equivalent charge is orange, the 120 grain Volumetric change is red.
Found a video where it was shot.
Which is dumb cuz you can use cf and shotguns in the cwd and tb zones during ML season. I don't think they even call it primitive weapons anymoreThat's right, Michigan wants to keep it primitive!
Guessing that the portion of the "hull" mouth comprising the roll crimp, unrolls to the rear face of that shelf and creates a consistent "chamber" diameter until expanding in the beginning of the rifled bore against the projectile's base, rather than allowing the expanding gases to run up against any inflexible constrictions in diameter. Just a theory.On its(traditions) interior dimensions that looks something like a bottle necked cartridge with an oversized bore . Like a DeLaval Constriction where that shelf is . I wonder WHY its not bulging the barrel ??? Its always been my understanding with black or subs you CANT do that !!! A high pressure area is created a couple of inches ahead of the constriction that rings barrels badly and is very unsafe !!! That powder must have been engineered just for this use !!! There is no other way . It sure isnt bussiness as usual to have this constriction operational . THIS IS A BIG DEAL !!!!!!! IF tbey sell this stuff loose the same bottle neck principles could be used instead of the straight walled style powder area we have now . Swinglock mz's are made this way !!!! The powder is the KEY !!!!!
Pay attention to what ive just told you . You cant do this with blackhorn !!!!
I’ve read a bunch of posts about it on FB and there’s no shortage of folks there saying they’d buy one if it’s legal to use in their state. Somewhere I saw something from Traditions that they believe that’s it’s legal in all but “about 10 states”, which seems over optimistic to me. I guess time will tell.Guessing that the portion of the "hull" mouth comprising the roll crimp, unrolls to the rear face of that shelf and creates a consistent "chamber" diameter until expanding in the beginning of the rifled bore against the projectile's base, rather than allowing the expanding gases to run up against any inflexible constrictions in diameter. Just a theory.
(For something almost none of us want to say we would ever buy, this system sure is stimulating some interesting technical conversation and SWAGs!)
What small fact I am waiting to hear is: Does it have to be ignited with a 209 and/or could a Percussion Cap ignite it? I would think that alone will tell you a lot about the composition of the powder?
In one breath they claim a Fed MZ primer is recommended and in another breath they say to NOT use water based cleaners. They say to use powder solvents. That is a huge clue right there about composition.
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