Looking for a new 45 ML, suggestions?

[Wilbar]

Hi guys, not new to the muzzle loading world but new to the site, (love to read the knowledge and info on here) I've been hunting with them for over 30 years, I own several but all in 50 cal. I've been looking for a 45 for a while, suggestions? Smokeless or BP? Whats your thoughts and favorite ML in 45, looking at new and older. Thanks for any help and Happy Thanksgiving!

 

[fishhawk2700]

What's your budget including scope?

 

[Wilbar]

Reasonable, $400 to maybe a grand for the right ML (Savage or ?) Did Doc make very many 45's in the Whites? I have two 50's

 

[toytruck]

My .451 Super 91 is my favorite go to deer killing muzzleloader. I take it out first every season for freezer filling.
If you can find any White in .451 I highly recommend them!
Just noticed this is the smokeless section. White's are not capable of smokeless powder! FYI

 

[D55]

A smokeless capeable CVA Scout or Hunter brake action conversion can be had for 1k and under depending on what you need or want with the rifle. They are a very a easy 300+ yd shooter providing skills equal to the task.

 

[GM54-120]

I own several but all in 50 cal.

What brand?....because there might be a smoker option in 45cal for under $400.

 

[Wilbar]

I'm open to suggestions and wanting to hear what you guys like or dislike. Heck if someone has a nice 45 for sale, let me know.

 

[michiganmuzzy]

I'm open to suggestions and wanting to hear what you guys like or dislike. Heck if someone has a nice 45 for sale, let me know.

If youre looking for a smokeless, no. But i do have a TC Black Diamond Super 45 XR that Im going to sell. Probably the best trigger of every gun that i have. Its currently a #11 setup. But i have a 209 conversion for it as well, unopened.

 

[GM54-120]

What brand of 50cals do you already have?

 

[Wilbar]

I've been hunting with a Savage 10ml lately and love the smokeless, and I have an old TC Renegade, an Encore Pro Hunter and another older inline TC, a Knight disc rifle and a LK93, A White White Lighning with the Wilson barrel and a Whitetail and I bought a CVA Accura V2 a few years ago. (haven;t hunted with it yet) I've been thinking about another Accura V2 LR in 45 but love to have a smokeless,

 

[GM54-120]

You can buy a 45 1-20 barrel for the DISC from Knight for about $350 shipped and Arrowheard has some MLII Pacnor 45 1-22 left in stock. You will need the ASG plug too with the Pacnor but its much better than the OEM MLII plug. ASG also sells Encore 45 1-20 barrels.

As low as $350 plus the plug if your MLII is a large shank.
https://www.arrowheadrifles.com/product/savage_prefit_barrels/

 

[Wilbar]

Sounds like a good option, thanks

 

[GM54-120]

Ive got a Pacnor 45 Super Match Grade on my MLII and it shoots great. Mine is a older one with the small shank so i keep loads under 45kpsi. That is very easy to do with sabots and pretty easy sabotless with 4198.

 

[Wilbar]

Thanks guys, good info

 

[GM54-120]

If you have much interest in shooting sabots, i know the Pacnor 8 land barrels shoot them just fine. You got 2 lands per sabot petal if you index them. Mine is a fairly tight .450 on the money too so the Harvesters fit great. The Brux is a 6 land cut rifle barrel and a great barrel. Especially nice if you want to shoot mostly sabotless.

There is another way to go and if more sabotless speed is wanted using a MLII you can have a nutless barrel blank cut but a smith will need to install it. Without the nut you can increase the shank OD. It still wont have locking lugs (obviously) but you will have a stronger barrel. Just something you may want to consider if sabotless 300gr+ bullets are on the menu. The barrel itself would be as strong or stronger than a good profile Rem700 barrel.