Muzzleloader storage

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  1. Nov 30, 2019 #81

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    I have been using Montana Bore Conditioner in several stainless and Blue Bores. Never had an issue with them stored for long periods (1 to 2 years). I have one ML (Knight KRB7) that had an issue when shooting BH209 where it sort of formed a Crud Ring. I reported it hear way back when I was working on a Mod for this rifle, maybe 6 or 7 years ago. I know this is pretty much never heard of but this rifle does it and it is the only one of 4 that I have and do shoot BH in. There must be some anomaly in the bore that you just can't see. Bore cleans up smooth and shinny. That Bore has had Numerous Rounds with JB too and it still did it. Switched to Montana Bore conditioner and after just a few treatments the Crud does not build up no where near what it did and what there is, is soft and I can reload without swabbing unlike before. Have no Idea why or how it worked but it worked wonders for this rifle. A Bit over a year and a half ago I stripped the bore and gave it a BoreTek Treatment that has helped it too. For some of the guns I have worked on and restored for family that don not get shot much I put Breakfree Collector in it.
     
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  2. Nov 30, 2019 #82

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    I got the idea to try it when 1874Sharpsshooter was out here on his Bear hunt, He was using it. I ran over to BACO Specifically to get a Bottle of it, I pulled Every rifle i owned out of my Safe and Swabbed them Clean of the REM OIL (Pump spray) EVERY Patch came out Cotton white from EACH AND EVERY Rifle as they ALWAYS Do, All i was doing was replacing the REM OIL with this New Montana Extreme Bore Conditioner. After i had ALL barrels Thoroughly Dry and Clean of Rem Oil, I added the Montana Extreme Bore Conditioner to Each and Every one of them. It was about 2 Weeks? Or There Close abouts? 1874Sharpsshooter and i were Visiting over the Phone via Text, he had been on a Gun Cleaning Mission at Home, He told me that he had Found quite a bit of Brown on patches? And was wondering about the GM Barrel he had sent me? He warned me to Check it, I had already cleaned the Barrel THOROUGHLY upon Receiving it, and it did show quite a lot of Brown on the patches. That IMMEDIATELY got my attention to Check my others that i had JUST done with this Bore Conditioner? Sure enough my Blued Barrels showed a Very light Tinge of Brown on The Patches? And it was ONLY My Blued GM Barrels?? Now Remember, When i dried them out of a PROVEN Product (Rem Oil Pump Bottle) there was ABSOLUTELY no sign of Brown, Those patches were COTTON WHITE. My Stainless Barrels showed no signs of Anything, They Pulled COTTON WHITE Patches

    After finding what i did with my Blued Barrels, OUT Came ALL of my Guns AGAIN (64 Gun safe Packed to the Rafters) I swabbed the Daylights out of Every Barrel, Added a LIBERAL Amount of Rem Oil BACK IN each Bore, Swabbed back n Forth til i had Each bore back to Cotton White again, and RE Protected with REM OIL.

    I thought i had thrown The Montana Extreme Bore Conditioner in the Garbage? But I hadn’t, it’s Stil Sitting here under a Side Table. I will Never use it again, if someone would like it, They are MORE THAN WELCOME to it :lewis: In my opinion, this stuff is not worth the Bottle it’s in

    EVERY SINGLE Barrel i own looks IDENTICAL to these Borescope Pictures, I could reach in my Gun Safe Blind Folded and Grab one, it won’t matter which one? They ALL LOOK IDENTICAL to this.
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    I do this to EVERY SINGLE brand new, or Used Barrel i get. I polish them to a Mirror. I actually use Lee Shaver’s Barrel Break in Method, With the Ad of Polishing. My Barrels Stay JUST LIKE this, After they are Clean, Thoroughly Dried, and Oiled good, I can grab one a Year Later and it will pull COTTON WHITE PATCHES. The ONLY Problem i have ever Had was with this Montana Extreme Bore Conditioner, and it was ONLY in my Blued GM Barrels? I am glad i caught it when i did, it was easy to clean up, and Get everything Back to Properly Protected.


    It was after this that i did a Bunch of reading, I found where Western Powders does NOT Recommend this Bore Conditioner for Long Term Storage. How handy is that? That is what i bought it for! So what exactly is it Good for??? They Call it “Accuracy Oil” LOL! YOU BETCHA!! There’s a SUCKA Born everyday! They got me for 1 Bottle, Good on them :lewis: They won’t again
     
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  3. Nov 30, 2019 #83

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    Why would I Switch a PROVEN PRODUCT (Rem Oil/Pump Spray) that has Protected my Guns from the Beginning? I wanted to Get rid of the Teflon Part, Truth is, For NO GOOD Reason? It has NOT hurt ANYTHING with ANY of my Rifles. It has Protected my Guns FLAWLESSLY for YEARS. I dry my Bores Really Well before loading/Shooting, I have NEVER had the Slightest problem. I will Continue on with REM OIL, and this Hoppes Elite T3 with Teflon, and Moly, Both keep my Rifles in TIP TOP Shape, FULLY Protected
     
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    I think everyone has a pet product they use to protect their gun's bores between shooting sessions, but the bottom line is that guns should be checked every couple months during the non-use periods by running a patch dampened with whatever they use down the pipe a couple times. Honestly I think every idea offered in this thread has validity and that people need to simply step up to this aspect of gun ownership and stop blaming the products. Everyone should be running an alcohol dampened patch down the bore three or four times before shooting anyway. I use pure de-natured alcohol for this because it cuts most anything the is used in the gun cleaning/protecting department.

    Personally I am like many others in that I'll try something new or different thinking I may end up preferring it over the way I am currently doing things. Sometimes I keep using a product. Sometimes I just set it out of site and chalk it up to a lesson learned. It still boils down to that if I really want my guns in tip top shape I have to dedicate some time to doing some regular maintenance on them and this has zip to do with this product or that. I use what works for me and I make darned certain that I take time to be sure things are good with the guns during the times when they're stored.
     
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    Since this Montana Extreme Bore Conditioner is mostly just White mineral oil, here ya go :lewis:


    Uses
    Mineral oil is used to treat constipation. It is known as a lubricant laxative. It works by keeping water in the stool and intestines. This helps to soften the stool and also makes it easier for stool to pass through the intestines.
     
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    Excellent advice mr tom !!! Wisdom is in your words !!!
     
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    Idaholewis you definately have a way of saying things........
     
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    Back to the original question, I use Birchwood Casey Barricade as the protective gun oil and have for years. It use to be called Sheath. I store my muzzleloaders without the breechplug or action in them. I remove the spring from the action to keep it nice and strong. I like to go through them every once and a while and wipe them off and wipe the bore with an oily patch. It gives me peace of mind.
     
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    Youre a good and wise man flounder .
     
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    I have heard others I trust talk of Eezox as a good protective oil, I may try that someday.
     
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    That is EXACTLY the Oil i was gonna speak of Earlier in this Thread Flounder, I Almost went with that one, And if i were to Change now it would DEFINITELY be to that EEZOX. I told This Exact thing to 1874Sharpsshooter back when all of this Bore Conditioner thing Went Down. This Stuff gets STELLAR Reviews, and Does really well on Tests that i have Seen
    https://www.amazon.com/Eezox-Premium-Synthetic-Gun-Care/dp/B07FCRVTDL
     
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    US govt military has used it for years.......
     
  13. Dec 2, 2019 #93

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    Eezox and Slip2000 both normally get very good reviews.
     
  14. Dec 3, 2019 at 2:29 AM #94

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    This is how I am currently storing some of my mk 85s. plungers on one door, breech plugs and nipples on the other. Barrels and stocks on the shelves, triggers in plastic tub. It works for me, this way when I oil the outside of the barrels I don't have the stock getting in the way.
     
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  15. Dec 3, 2019 at 3:18 AM #95

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    HOW COOL IS THAT!! Awesome Stuff Art!! :lewis:
     
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