That is not an approved load in ANY production ML from Knight, CVA (currently available) or Traditions (ever). You are very wrong if you think it is. Post up a link showing 150gr of BH209 is approved by Traditions or Knight. Remington does not even support the use of BH209 at all. It been proven to be hard on the breach plug and they no longer warranty plugs damaged by using BH209. They approve of Pyrodex, Triple7 and real black. All in FFG granulation or pellets. I dont think even Westerns load data for the RUML goes that high.
Straight out of the Traditions manuals for Vortek models
150gr of real BP or Pyrodex
130gr of Triple7 (100gr max in the Strikerfire manual)
120gr BH209 with upto a 300gr bullet. (newer manual only)
And that my friend could very well be why you are now having a hard time getting someone to build your Rem700ML into a rifle that will shoot a 300gr bullet that fast. That was the entire point i was making. Just a fyi, i do own a custom Savage Pacnor 45cal smokeless and a custom New Ultra Light Arms M209 50cal smokeless so yeah i rather familiar with what they can do.
Talk to Elkman1310 on the Hankins rifle board about "over building" a Rem700ML to get you into the range you want. He has done it and knows what it requires. He can at least give you the details of whats needed and may know who would build it for you.
Hey thanks for the "over builder"guys info.Not really having trouble finding a builder anymore. I didn't know I was wanting to be "overbuilding" a rem700uml into SML, considering the speeds I mentioned came from THREE of the most prolific manufacturers of SMLs. They build the best, they know the most,and they already gave me info and told me what it requires,and they get EVERYBODY into the range they want. I just looked on anothers website and there's a row of beautiful custom SMLs that do the same speed. It's HILARIOUS the couple of people here are saying "this"or"that" is too fast or overbuilt and you have NO IDEA what people I have learned this information from to begin with! IIdidnt make it up;I learned it and would not ever deviate up from the load data given me by such an expert in SMLs.THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL AND ONLY TOPIC OF AND REASON FOR MY POST HERE.
My loads in regular ML "magnums" don't have anything to do with anything. I don't see how it's relevant,considering when I bought my Traditions and Knights there was no regulatory body or official standards in the bp/sub ML sport, and there still isnt.
Except the little they put on a 209 can.
The one guy is right, the higher loads aren't the most accurate.
But really, the BP sub ML loads from some other post arent really important here. Those guns were manufactured in an unregulated,non standardized environment and propagated as 150 gr "magnum" muzzleloaders bought insporting goods stores or from someone else, not handed to me an item of magnificence thousands of dollars later by an expert builder with load data ingrained on the wall of my skull,not to stray from.
All I know about the reg BP ml data that was rehashed is that all my rifles are 4140,stainless,or 1137, and I know why they're better than carbon steel.
Someone was mentioning 112 grs of bh209.the 209 bottle gives 120 grain loads,but I know a little bit about how 209 behaves in a big bore centerfire,and it's not tooo far off what RE26 does.
With no BP ml standardization,I listen to knowledge,math,experience,safe first shots,and people that I know know.
Thank you for your input,I am glad for all first hand knowledge and I am happy you responded.