Old Powder? use it or pitch it?

[Muley Hunter]

Gun powder is still man made. You can't dig up gun powder. You're splitting hairs.

Pyro is still a gun powder made safer to handle.

 

[GM54-120]

Not splitting anything. You cant dig up potassium perchlorate. It is not a naturally occurring salt. If real black lasts for ages if stored correctly and Pyro is 30ish % potassium perchlorate, well you probably got your answer why it does not store long term as well. Its a relatively strong oxidizer.

 

[Dwayne]

What makes Pyro artificial and not black powder? They're both man made. Pyro has the same ingredients as black powder with some others added. Neither one are natural.

Ot is not the same chemicals.
Real bp is made from sckn03. Real black powder can actually get wet, be dried out, and be used without any problems at all.

 

[Dwayne]

Not splitting anything. You cant dig up potassium perchlorate. It is not a naturally occurring salt. If real black lasts for ages if stored correctly and Pyro is 30ish % potassium perchlorate, well you probably got your answer why it does not store long term as well. Its a relatively strong oxidizer.

Yep

 

[Muley Hunter]

You can't take the 3 ingredients in gun powder as they are dug up and throw them in a bucket and have gun powder. Man has to make them what they are in gun powder. Even the carbon comes from burning wood.

As an example.

Production[edit]
Potassium nitrate can be made by combining ammonium nitrate and potassium hydroxide.

NH4NO3 (aq) + KOH (aq) → NH3 (g) + KNO3 (aq) + H2O (l)
An alternative way of producing potassium nitrate without a by-product of ammonia is to combine ammonium nitrate, found in instant ice packs,[24] and potassium chloride, easily obtained as a sodium-free salt substitute.

NH4NO3 (aq) + KCl (aq) → NH4Cl (aq) + KNO3 (aq)
Potassium nitrate can also be produced by neutralizing nitric acid with potassium hydroxide. This reaction is highly exothermic.

KOH (aq) + HNO3 → KNO3 (aq) + H2O (l)
On industrial scale it is prepared by the double displacement reaction between sodium nitrate and potassium chloride.

NaNO3 (aq) + KCl (aq) → NaCl (aq) + KNO3 (aq)Uses[edit]
Potassium nitrate has a wide variety of uses, largely as a source of nitrate.

Nitric acid production[edit]
Historically, nitric acid was produced by combining sulfuric acid with nitrates such as saltpeter. In modern times this is reversed: nitrates are produced from nitric acid produced via the Ostwald process.

Man makes gun powder. Pyro is a black powder substitute. It's not a fake powder.

 

[bow_hunter44]

I'm not sure what is the point of contention in this discussion, and don't have a dog in the fight. But for what it is worth - both KCl04 (the perchlorate) and KCl03 (the chlorate) are strong oxidizing agents. The perchlorate can be combined with sulfur, where as the chlorate cannot The perchlorate is kinetically a slower oxidant than the chlorate (the redox reaction is slower). Thus, the use of KCl04 in Pyrodex.

 

[GM54-120]

Pete i will make it simple for you since you omitted the wiki copy and paste to make it appear manufacturing was the only option

Potassium nitrate is a chemical compound with the chemical formula KNO
3. It is an ionic salt of potassium ions K+ and nitrate ions NO3−, and is therefore an alkali metal nitrate. It occurs in nature as a mineral, niter (or nitre in the UK).[6] It is a source of nitrogen, and nitrogen was named after niter. Potassium nitrate is one of several nitrogen-containing compounds collectively referred to as saltpeter (or saltpetre in the UK).[6]

From caves
A major natural source of potassium nitrate was the deposits crystallizing from cave walls and the accumulations of bat guano in caves.[22] Extraction is accomplished by immersing the guano in water for a day, filtering, and harvesting the crystals in the filtered water. Traditionally, guano was the source used in Laos for the manufacture of gunpowder for Bang Fai rockets.

Like i said its a naturally occurring salt where as potassium perchlorate it not.

Pyrodex does not appear to store nearly as well long term and the main difference is about half the potassium nitrate was replaced with perchlorate.

 

[michiganmuzzy]

I've lernt quite a bit about blackpowder and Pyrodex from this discussion.

 

[Dwayne]

Hence they call it a black powder substitute.

 

[rhbc13]

I've lernt quite a bit about blackpowder and Pyrodex from this discussion.

Much more than I can comprehend.

 

[D55]

I quit smoking years ago. No offense to those who are still addicted.