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I find myself going back and looking at your casting and show and tell on you tube and every time (amazing) ,the quality that you show for all to see . I"ve been doing this for 40 yrs easy and occasionally come up with a batch that I shoot good but I cant get close to your examples (BULLET PORN) , for the challenged caster /Ed
 
I find myself going back and looking at your casting and show and tell on you tube and every time (amazing) ,the quality that you show for all to see . I"ve been doing this for 40 yrs easy and occasionally come up with a batch that I shoot good but I cant get close to your examples (BULLET PORN) , for the challenged caster /Ed

Thank you for Compliment my friend! Casting is something that didn’t come easy to me, It took me some time, and Plenty of Frustration to get where i am with it.
 
You will be happy with that Bullet Mold Curtis, Buffalo Arms (Jim B) Makes an AWESOME Mold, 2nd to NONE :lewis:

I have a couple of their Paper Patch Molds for .45 Cal

JIM443530E, .443 Diameter 530 Grain Elliptical, This is an AWESOME Long Range PP Bullet, as good as they Get
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Lewis, the JIM443530E .443 Diameter 530 Grain Elliptical is the mold I ordered! A friend sent me several of these that he cast and I got promising results with what I have shot so far. Can't wait to try them at long range, I'm glad to hear you have gotten excellent results as well. That cup based (JIM443400) looks like an interesting bullet as well.

Curtis
 
Lewis, the JIM443530E .443 Diameter 530 Grain Elliptical is the mold I ordered! A friend sent me several of these that he cast and I got promising results with what I have shot so far. Can't wait to try them at long range, I'm glad to hear you have gotten excellent results as well. That cup based (JIM443400) looks like an interesting bullet as well.

Curtis

That’s a REALLY GOOD one Curtis, i have had VERY Good Luck with that Bullet :lewis: That was my 1st Buffalo Arms Mold.

If you decide to Try a Grease Groove Bullet Down the Rd, This is a TOP DOG Right here, I would put this Bullet up against anything out there. JIM453530E1
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Here is another Bullet that i Thought up and had Made
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And just Goofing Around, i loaded and Shot one Backwards just to see what it would do? 😀 As you can see it was Flying Straight here, The Bullet Base Cut a Hole like a Paper Punch
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Is green mountain still selling that 50 cal LRH barrel? In 1-28 twist, looked at there web site and wasn’t sure. Looking for it to fit my TC Hawken. Now to look for Swiss powder and .28 nipples! Great info and Thanks Idaholewis
 
Thank you for all the information! I drew a resident unit 54 elk muzzleloading tag in Idaho and want to refine my muzzleloader accuracy.

I am so busy lately that I hardly have time for anything. I did see this thread and know the area you plan to hunt. Do you live in the Twin Falls area?
If you do we could get together and you can try some paper patched bullets of mine.
 
Paper Patch Bullets are a lot of fun to Shoot, and can be very rewarding accuracy wise if you get everything Right, But not anymore so than a Good Grease Groove Bullet (Depending on Rifle/Load) It’s my Personal opinion, Due to me Shooting Swiss Real Blackpowder, and my Style of Elk Hunting (Ground & Pound) That my Paper Patch are not The greatest choice for a Hunting Bullet, For me. I love them for Bench Rest/Target Shooting Where i have Full Control, Where i have all the time i need to Swab my Bore GOOD Before Reloading, Paper Patching for Muzzleloader is Where i Started in Muzzleloading, I Shoot a TON of Paper Patch Bullets on Targets

Here is my Method of Paper Patching
https://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/threads/paper-patching-for-muzzleloaders-video.32608/
With Swiss Real Blackpowder The Fouling is Dry, and ROUGH, Try and Reload a Bullet with a Very thin Paper Jacket down a Swiss Real Blackpowder Fouled Bore and Failure awaits you. It feels about the Equivalent of 80 Grit Sandpaper. Remember, There is NO Lube with Paper Patch, Therefore the Fouling is Dry, BRUTAL When using Swiss Real Blackpowder. If i were to Hunt with my Paper Patch Bullets, i would carry a Sealed container of HIGH Content Alcohol Patches So i Could Swab Quickly Before Reloading (This is Less than ideal if you have a Wounded Animal, Where every second can be Precious)

2nd, Again Remember you are dealing with a Thin Paper Jacketed Bullet, They have to Slide Down the Bore with little Resistance, if they are to Tight you Risk Stripping the Paper Jacket, or Pushing the Bullet Through the Paper Jacket (I have done both a Few times) When you slide a “Slip Fit” Paper Patch Bullet down the Bore it doesn’t take a Heck of a Lot to Get that Bullet to Move Back off the Powder Charge. My Style of Elk Hunting here in North Idaho is Walking for Miles n Miles, Through no telling what kind of Terrain? I don’t have a Sling on my Rifle, This Country is EXTREMELY Brushy for the Most Part, I carry my Rifle Straight Forward Barrel Down navigating through the “Jungle”, or Cradled Across my Arm the Chances i can do so, like walking an Old Logging Road. When Hunting, The LAST thing i want to Worry about is My Bullet Slipping off the Powder Charge, I pull up and Shoot, Very Possibly “Ringing” My Barrel. I know me, I would CONSTANTLY be Checking my Bullet with Gun Rod to Make sure it hadn’t Moved

For me Personally, my Style of Elk Hunting, I want a Good Snug/Tight Fitting Bullet that i have to Push down the Bore with Good SOLID Pressure, This is gonna be a Grease Groove Bullet. This way i can Hunt with Confidence Knowing that my Bullet will ABSOLUTELY Stay Put on the Powder Charge Where it Belongs. On the other hand, If i were “Stand Hunting” For Whitetail, Where i am Sitting either on the Ground, or Elevated in a Stand (I stay on the Ground) I could Use my Paper Patch Bullets Confidently for this Style of Hunt. I would be in MUCH Better Control of my Bullet on the Powder Here, Now i just have to Swab before i can Reload.

If Hunting With Paper Patch Bullets is something you wish to Pursue, and wish to seek other Possible Alternatives for PP than i said above, Look up Idahoron, He Hunts Exclusively with His Paper Patch Bullets. Ron goes about Paper Patching VERY Differently than i do, Ron Patches a Much Larger Bullet from the Mold, Then Pushes Them Through a Sizer Die, He uses a Different Powder than i do as well (Pyrodex P) Which Allows him to Reload a Fouled Bore Many times Due to it Being a Soft “Gooey” Type Fouling. Ron Has methods of Carrying/Transporting his Rifle (On His Person, In a Vehicle, and on his ATV) to help ensure his Bullet Stays on the Powder Charge. It works Well for Him, Ron has taken a Lot of Game with his Paper Patch Bullets :lewis:

Whatever you choose, Good Luck with it! And Welcome to the Forum

I pulled an awesome bull tag this year too. I am still recovering from my surgery last year. I have been issued a disabled hunting licence so I can use an ATV or my truck.
I am really hoping to do this tag justice. I am planning to use my Hot Rod Renegade 50.
This I have to promise I can not mount another bull. I cant get them in the house and the Sportsman Warehouse in Twin Falls isn't taking any more. If I get a good one it will be a euro mount.
 
I pulled an awesome bull tag this year too. I am still recovering from my surgery last year. I have been issued a disabled hunting licence so I can use an ATV or my truck.
I am really hoping to do this tag justice. I am planning to use my Hot Rod Renegade 50.
This I have to promise I can not mount another bull. I cant get them in the house and the Sportsman Warehouse in Twin Falls isn't taking any more. If I get a good one it will be a euro mount.

AWESOME Deal on the Elk Tag Ron!! :lewis: That’s like winning the Lottery down there Huh? You guy’s have GOOD NUMBERS of Bulls, and BIG ones at that!!

It’s flat out Pathetic up here for Elk anymore, they don’t give out any Special Draw type Tags up here For Muzzleloader. We have this little 1 Week Window for Cow Elk only, 1 mile of Private Land Deal, a BUNCH of BS is what it is! These Poor Ole Elk are so BEAT UP in this Upper Country that i feel guilty to Kill one anymore. I Didn’t Buy an Elk Tag Last year, and No plans to buy one this Year. It’s a good thing I enjoy Target Shooting These Muzzleloaders, Cuz there is ABSOLUTELY ZERO insensitive to own a Muzzleloader to Hunt with up here.
 
AWESOME Deal on the Elk Tag Ron!! :lewis: That’s like winning the Lottery down there Huh?

My new job is keeping me so busy that I hope I get to take off the time I want to hunt. Jacob drew another cow tag this year. We both had it last year and we both got elk. Last year that unit put out 450 tags. Only 15 elk were killed and Jacob and I got 2 of the 15.
 
My new job is keeping me so busy that I hope I get to take off the time I want to hunt. Jacob drew another cow tag this year. We both had it last year and we both got elk. Last year that unit put out 450 tags. Only 15 elk were killed and Jacob and I got 2 of the 15.

Unit 1 here is BIG, 1,584,441 acres Which is nearly 2,500 Square Miles. I personally know of 2 Bull Elk Killed last season. Remember that Little Sport Shop in Oldtown that we went to? And their Cork Board in their with All the Game Pics on it? There were MAYBE 5 Elk Total on that Board Last year, That’s Archery/Muzzleloader and Centerfire. A guy stands a Better chance of being Struck by Lightning here
 
Those are some nice looking grease groove bullets there Lewis! What diameter gg bullet would you recommend for a .451 bore? I like the looks of the JIM453530E1 bullet but I'm thinking it would be to big for a .451. It would be nice to find a grease groove that would shoot close to the paper paper patch bullet I will be using, for hunting and just as an alternative bullet to use.

Curtis
 
Yes I would like to hear that reply for I am in another build with a 451 bore underhammer. Also curtis is that 530 mould your having made a flat base?
 
Those are some nice looking grease groove bullets there Lewis! What diameter gg bullet would you recommend for a .451 bore? I like the looks of the JIM453530E1 bullet but I'm thinking it would be to big for a .451. It would be nice to find a grease groove that would shoot close to the paper paper patch bullet I will be using, for hunting and just as an alternative bullet to use.

Curtis

I always go with a Mold .001-.002 Larger than what i need, I have a Sizer for each of my Rifles, I would Rather Size .001-.002 than end up with the Bullet to Small from the Mold. To size a Bullet Down .001-.002 is EFFORTLESS, Just the Handle of the Press alone will Push the Bullet Through the Sizer. An adjustable Sizer like a Swinglock, and a Hankins, You can Dial a Bullet right in to your Bore, They adjust in tiny increments. For a Muzzleloader, Shooting Bench/Target, I want the Bullet to just “Kiss” the Rifling on the Way Down, With An Adjustable Sizer Die you can Dial this RIGHT IN There EXACTLY where you want it, Shoot Groups at Different Bullet Sizes til you Get the Load Dialed in. With a Lee Style Push Through sizer you obviously can’t do this, If the Die sizes .452 That is what you are Stuck with

When Jim of Buffalo Arms Cuts a Mold, That Mold will be EXACTLY the Diameter you Ask/Want, Jim Casts a “Proof Bullet” for each of his Molds, That Bullet will be in a little Ziplock Bag Stapled inside the Top of the Mold Box, That Bullet will be a “Mirror of the Mold, PERFECT!” This is to Show that it Casts what you ask/want. NOW it’s up to You, the Caster to Get PERFECT Fillout, If your Casting is less than Perfect, and you are not getting LAZER Sharp Fillout the Bullet might end up .001 or so Smaller than What Jim got with the “Proof Bullet” Let’s say you plan to Cast some Pure Lead for Better Expansion on Game? Pure Lead is KNOWN to Shrink Slightly. Again Casting Technique is where it’s at, I can get Pure Lead to Cast Just as Sharp as an Alloy.

By going .001-.002 Larger than you need, this Allows for Slight Casting Errors, And ensures you can EASILY Size the Bullet to what you need.

You can order that Elliptical Mold any Size you want it (.450, .451, .452, Etc.) That is a VERY POPULAR Bullet. For long Range, I probably shoot it more than any of my other Bullets
 
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Yes I would like to hear that reply for I am in another build with a 451 bore underhammer. Also curtis is that 530 mould your having made a flat base?

I have that Same Paper Patch Mold that Curtis is having made, it is a Flat Base Bullet, And a DARN GOOD One! :lewis:
 
Casting tip, Try Compression Casting these Big Long Bullets, This is how i Get OPTIMUM Fill out with them. Some Molds React very well to Compression, and Some Don’t. All of My BACO Molds LOVE Compression :lewis:
 
Don't know about compression casting, you would have to explain that one to me. Got to get casting my own for my long range competition. As I stated before our top shooter at Oakridge when I was there a couple of years ago cutting my teeth looked and my bought bullets and said they were junk. Also whant to go to pure lead.
 
Casting tip, Try Compression Casting these Big Long Bullets, This is how i Get OPTIMUM Fill out with them. Some Molds React very well to Compression, and Some Don’t. All of My BACO Molds LOVE Compression :lewis:
Could you explain to me what compression casting is ?
Thanks
 
Compression Casting is when you Fill the Mold, And you continue to Hold the mold under the Stream of Lead, even Though the Mold is Full, The Weight of the Lead is “Pushing Down” in the Cavity, it’s called Compession Casting. Certain Molds React Very well to it, and some Not so much

Notice the Shape Of the Pour Spout? Be it Ladle, or Bottom Pour Pot, They have a Slight Taper, Now look at the Hole in a Sprue Plate, it is “Dished“ Shaped, These 2 Fit eachother perfectly. You want to “Marry“ the Spout up with the Sprue Plate, Then Fill the Mold, Holding them together for a Few Seconds after the Mold has Filled.

PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, And be CONSISTENT!

You will learn exactly how long it Takes to fill your Mold. Lets Say it Takes 2 Seconds to Fill, Hold Compression for 3 Seconds, So it takes 5 Full Seconds per Cast Bullet (That is a Just a Close example, You need to Tinker around here til you find what works Best for your Mold)

Compression Casting is where you will get OPTIMUM Mold Fillout :lewis:
 
Compression Casting is when you Fill the Mold, And you continue to Hold the mold under the Stream of Lead, even Though the Mold is Full, The Weight of the Lead is “Pushing Down” in the Cavity, it’s called Compession Casting. Certain Molds React Very well to it, and some Not so much

Notice the Shape Of the Pour Spout? Be it Ladle, or Bottom Pour Pot, They have a Slight Taper, Now look at the Hole in a Sprue Plate, it is “Dished“ Shaped, These 2 Fit eachother perfectly. You want to “Marry“ the Spout up with the Sprue Plate, Then Fill the Mold, Holding them together for a Few Seconds after the Mold has Filled.

PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, And be CONSISTENT!

You will learn exactly how long it Takes to fill your Mold. Lets Say it Takes 2 Seconds to Fill, Hold Compression for 3 Seconds, So it takes 5 Full Seconds per Cast Bullet (That is a Just a Close example, You need to Tinker around here til you find what works Best for your Mold)

Compression Casting is where you will get OPTIMUM Mold Fillout :lewis:
Thank you for taking the time to explain “compression “ to me. I have tried quite a few times to cast match grade 500+ grain Bullets and have yet to accomplish anything close to what you achieve every time. I guess your years of practice allow you to decipher what a particular mold requires to cast a perfect Bullet. If I can get close to your level of expertise I would be very happy indeed. Believe me when I say that I read and try to retain as much as I can of what you have graciously made public on this forum. Thanks again.
 

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