Peep Sights (How i use them)

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  1. Apr 8, 2019 #1

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    I did a Video on How i use my Peep sights for Target Shooting, What i am Looking for, What i see. I have answered this in questions before, But i think this Video is a Better way to go. If you are serious about Target shooting, From Short, to Long Range, And you take the time to watch this Video it should help you :lewis: Feel free to ask any questions
    You guy’s that have watched my Videos and seen me Shoot, This is PRECISELY How i am able to Shoot a Peep Sight like i do.
    The Peep hole you look through is a Circle, the Front Globe Sight is a Circle, the insert inside the Globe is a Circle, and the Target is a Circle/Round Bullseye, This system all comes down to matching the Circle insert inside the Globe front sight to your Target, no matter the Distance. By Doing this you create a VERY repeatable sight picture, which is ULTIMATELY the key to accuracy :lewis:

     
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    Excellent video Lew, you were dead on your information! Especially on mentioning on the topic of using them for hunting. Last year I set up my Renegade with the exact setup that you have. I had it set up with the correct circle front sight and then switch to the post sight that you showed. As luck would have it in the fading hours a doe walked out at about 75plus yards. As best as I could I could not see that front sight. During normal hours during the day, it would not have been a problem in making that shot. I've now have mounted a Green Fiber optic front sight as Green is the first to appear in the morning and the last to fade away at dusk. Like you, I have searched the internet to see who makes some kind of insert with a tip that would glow to no avail. I'm going to try this sight out at the range soon. What I do to sight my rifles with a peep sight is what they taught me in the Marines as all military rifles are set up with a Peep and a front bead. They called it "Point of Aim, Point of Impact". What they mean by that is. Have your bullseye sit on top of your front sight and then have your bullets hit at the bottom of the black circle. That means at the range you sighted your rifle in where you place the tip of your front sight is where your bullets will hit.

    Wonder if there is some kind of durable paint that will glow in the dark that will adhere to the tip of the post?
     
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    Ed, This is why i added the Hunting part to the end of the Video, I have helped several people with setting this sight system up, and in all honesty I really didn’t think about Hunting? In my mind it was all around accuracy. I can’t stress enough how VERY VERY important it is for folks that plan to hunt with this Sight setup, that before they Spend the money and set this up, that they Realize they could literally be SOL in Low light!!! I Target/Bench rest shoot WAY WAY more than i Hunt with a Muzzleloader, Like i say in the Video, I Shoot this Sight System so well that when i Do Hunt, i am Willing to trade off The low light Morning, and Evening 1/2 to 1 Hr, For lighter conditions. This is a TOUGH TOUGH Trade off, We all know the “Glory Hours” are first and last light, as hard as that is on me, I try and avoid those times simply because i am Blind with this Sight Setup in that Low light. A person also needs to think about Dark Timber, and Brushy Dense Country as well (Here where i live!!) They both equal Low light. For low light Hunting, this is a VERY POOR Sight Setup in my opinion. I believe you are MUCH better off with an Exposed Fiber optic Bead Front, or a Hood like the Knight Rifles have with the Cutout in the Top.
     
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    With The Hunting part above being said, As i say in the Video, This Sight Setup is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING on Targets in Normal/Good Light conditions, There is a DARN GOOD reason that our World Class Shooters use this Setup, it WINS!! Try to compete against Shooters using the above Globe/Circle/Insert sight Setup with your Fiber optic Hunting Bead :D You will get Schooled in a HURRY!! Especially when you stretch your Barrel out to 300 to 1,000 Yards ;) Again, This Sight System is Geared around Precision Target Shooting all the way out to, and Beyond 1,000 Yards, It is as close as you will ever get to a Scope!!
     
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    Lew I agree with you 100%. The globe sight with the right circle for target shooting or the post for hunting in a not so dark area is the way to go. The one beauty thing that you did not mention which one should assume when you switch from a circle to a post sight your point of impact will not change. :D
     
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    Great info and videos there Lewis. About your targets, what size bullseye do you prefer at your 60 yard setup? I see you frequently shoot that yardage. At what yardage do you change the size of the bull if you do at all, and your front globe inserts? If you did mention this already I must have missed it.
     
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    Lew mentioned he changes his front sight insert until he gets that Halo to be visible around the bullseye.
     
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    So with that said it doesn’t matter what size target is used?
     
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    I pour and powder coat fishing jigs, and I have been planing on powder coating one of these inserts to see how it turns out. I'll probably do a florescent green or glow in the dark green.
     
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    Good idea!! Fingers crossed that it turns out good :lewis:
     
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    It’s all about Playing with insert sizes to Whatever the Bull Size is and getting a Sight picture that YOU PERSONALLY like, and Feel you can Consistently Repeat. Yardage doesn’t matter. But there is a GOOD reason the Official Targets they use for Open/Peep sights are the Size they are, It is impossible to consistently hit what you Can’t see, Unless it was a Lucky Accident. These Official Targets get Bigger, and BIGGER the Farther out (each 100 Yard Graduation) The Obvious reason is so they can be Seen by the Shooters. In other words, you are NOT gonna see a 100 Yard Target at 600 Yards with Open/Peep sights.

    Some examples below. I am going off of Official Targets i get at Buffalo Arms. With my Lee Shaver’s Circle insert Card, i am sure to have a Circle insert to Match the Bull sizes Listed below. With Lee being a World Level Competitor you can Bet his Circles will match these :lewis:

    MR31-C is a 100 Yard Target, 10 1/2" X 10 1/2" with a 5 3/4" bull.
    MR52 is a 200 Yard Target, 21" X 24", paper, 11 3/4" bull
    MR63 is a 300 Yard Target, 35" X 35" paper, 17 3/4" bull
    MRC is a 500 Yard Target, 37" X 37" paper, 24" bull
    MR-1C is a 600 Yard Target, 37" X 37" paper, 36" bull
    LRC is a 800-1,000 Yard Target, it comes in 2 pieces. 45" X 45" paper, 44" bull two piece center
     
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    Again, As i said in the Video, This Sight System is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING on Targets (their intention) Our Serious World Class Shooters use these Setups for Good Reason, there is nothing better or they would be using it! But in my personal opinion this is a VERY VERY POOR sight Setup for really Low light Hunting Conditions/Situations (First, and last light) You either Trade off low light Situations (like I mention above) for better lighting to use this as a Hunting setup, Or you go with an Open Fiber Optic type bead front Sight and keep your shots in Closer. I personally choose the 1st option as I don’t like a Large Bead Front sight, i am so accustomed to these Globes and Fine BPCR inserts that i will continue to use them For Target/Bench, and Hunting. I can’t shoot a Regular Bead Type Front Sight worth a Darn!

    My Dad on the other Hand HATES My Sight Setups! When he looks through 1 of my Rifles he Say’s “That Globe Front sight would be the 1st thing to Go if it were me!” But he does understand how i am able to shoot them So well. My Dad is ALL about Hunting, and I consider my Dad to be one of the Best Open sight shooters i have ever seen or Been around, He Hunted Hound Dogs for 40 years or better, he could Take Bobcats out between the eyes, in the Top of 180-200 Ft tall Fir Trees on the Wa Coast with his Open sight Winchester 94 Lever .22 Magnum, I seen him do it a BUNCH, this was Common Routine that i seen all of my life.

    Moral of the Story, The Globe Front sights with BPCR insert setups are NOT for everyone! I hope i have covered the Bases here to help Folks make a Decision. Any questions, just ask :lewis:
     
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    There is a company out of Maryland called Glow Inc. that sells all kinds of glow in the dark stuff. They do have a product mage for gunsights that glows green in the dark and comes in a small syringe for application. Contact them, they are really nice and helpful and have some terrific sales periodically.
    Glow Inc. 1539 Florida Ave. Severn, MD 21144-2603
     
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    Front and rear aperture sights are for shooting round targets on the range, where you know the exact range and adjust the sights accordingly, not hunting situations. They do not work well in limited light.

    The firearm sights that use the fiber optic plastics that gather light and glow, are great for handguns in combat situations, but are horrible for good marksmanship on a rifle.
     
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    Precisely what i said above
     
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    I often wondered looking at my front globe, Lee Shavers fine wire crosshair insert (which is pretty much rendered useless in low light situations). If someone made a crosshair insert out of very thin fiber optics, how that might work?:think: Just a thought.
     
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    If some made it, I think it would work out just fine. That Glow Inc company paint may work. I'll have to try it. I'll try painting one, put a light on it for a minute and then turn the lights out to see if it glows in the dark.
     
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    I've tried the paint on stuff on my 45. Kinda works. As far as a hunting aperture , I use a heavy post in my sight. Seems to work the best for me. I can pick it up right away.
     
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    I tried powder coating a couple inserts

    I did a base coat of white then the main color. I haven’t baked them yet.
    Top = Glow Orange
    Middle = Green
    Bottom = Orange
     

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