Out testing round balls and when I went inside to grab some patches, I noticed an old box of Buffalo bullets, 385gr sitting on the shelf... What the hell! These things has always sucked in the accuracy department when I originally tried some many years ago. Loading up my Traditions Hawken 1:48 twist with 80gr Black MZ, I fired 3 shots and said some words I normally use when I am upset! 3 touching about 2" high of my point of aim. Needless to say, these bullets will go back on the shelf until I actually need them for hunting use. These bullets fit this bore extremely snug at the muzzle and then loaded nicely after that. No swabbing either!