Start out at 63grW of BH209 with MMP smooth black sabot or Harvester, whichever is a more snug fit with a Barnes XPB 200 or 225gr bullet. Work up to the accuracy you want. Probably, accuracy will be good all the way to max but I would probably stay around 70gW of BH209. I shot the Barnes 45ACP 185gr TAC-XP in a MMP smooth black sabot with alittle over of 70grW of BH209 in my CVA Optima V2 50. I had no problems killing deer to 100yds. You won't have to worry about the Barnes XPBs grenading and with that big ol' hollow point it will expand.I gave my 2003 TC Encore to my son, and I bought a new CVA 50 cal Acura direct from cva. I’d like to continue using blackthorn lose powder but I’m interested in expansion, not necessarily conical plastid points for long distance shooting. I’ve had great success with Barnes and Hornady. What do you suggest I try in a hollow point type bullet ? Easier loading is important too. Thanks!
I'm going to stay with the 240 xtp and the cheap shots I have got hundreds of xtps and sobots I bought them separately. I stock in bulk now.Midway sold a bunch of Deep Curl blems a few years ago, just about the time Speer discontinued them. i grabbed a couple boxes. I planned to load them in 450bm but ive been so happy with the XTPs that i never bothered to try the DCs.
I'm sure you could sell them. A lot of guys looking for them.Midway sold a bunch of Deep Curl blems a few years ago, just about the time Speer discontinued them. i grabbed a couple boxes. I planned to load them in 450bm but ive been so happy with the XTPs that i never bothered to try the DCs.
Do you think someone who finds a load and bullet combo, from the exact same gun I have, might likely give me the same result ? My question should have included that. When I bought Barnes spitfires I was satisfied with the groups from my encore. So if somebody had an exact encore, I’d suggest 100 GR by volume of BH and Barnes TMZ in 290 . I figured with all the vast experience here, I might save a few hundred shots and dollars.Back when I first bought my Accura V2 I bought a mess of bullets to try, including 4 weights/ 2 diameters of the deep curls and as many versions of the Swift A-frames. I bought several boxes of each weight/diameter and still have plenty to play with. Not at all sorry for laying out the kind of money I did to get these pups, but at least I have them. Tough to find either in today's marketplace.
And Bronco..... everyone has to decide what load/charge is right for his gun or his needs. There's no magic number that fits everyone. What I load to hunt with or poke paper with works for me so that's what I load and shoot.
That is a potent load and still under the max but IMO much more than you need for deer <100 yards. I'd see what accuracy you get with 80 and 90 grs.
My usual 77 grain by weight charge equates to roughly 110 grains by volume so no you're in the ball park. Keep in mind that some of these heavier or saboted bullets like to be pushed hard, meaning a heavier charge.
I didn't say it was a max charge. I said it was a potent charge. IMO I don't think you need to push a bullet that hard unless that is where you're getting your best accuracy and/or shooting long range.
I get sub MOA accuracy with 68 gr (wt) of BH so I wouldn't even consider going any heavier. No deer is going to know the difference.
Mr Tom I'm not arguing with you. In fact if you re-read my post above I said that I don't think you need to push a bullet that hard UNLESS THAT IS WHERE YOU'RE GETTING YOUR BEST ACCURACY.And Bronco..... everyone has to decide what load/charge is right for his gun or his needs. There's no magic number that fits everyone. What I load to hunt with or poke paper with works for me so that's what I load and shoot.
Can I buy the ez load spitfires from Barnes, the exact bullets? And also the ez load sabots from Barnes, the exact sabots?
Thanks for your tip. Getting back to previous replies about buying separate packs of sabots and a quantity of bullets, does anyone sell , for instance a 50 or 100 quantity of just these bullets and these sabots? Or is the only way to buy these in combo packages ? ThanksMuzzle-Loaders.com has the 250 Barnes Spitfire TEZ with the EZ load sabots you're looking for. And they have the 290's right there too.
Try this link.
https://muzzle-loaders.com/collections/bullets/products/barnes-tez-bullets-250-grain
I get it. When I hunted in rifle counties in northern and central PA in the 70s and 80s the heaviest bullet I shot from any rifle was a 180 and that was like a canon ball…especially from my KMart Remington 30-06. A hit in the solarplex destroyed both shoulders and much of the front loins and the exit whole looked like a baseball pass thru. A shot I’ve only done when dropping the deer immediately on the spot was the goal.I think that with a .50 cal anything would work well on deer and a lot of other animals too. Round balls, conicals, minie balls, and sabot bullets. Granted a 40 or 45 cal bullet is smaller in the sabot but it is still a big bullet. With the moderate velocities that muzzle loaders throw bullets down range at all of the bullets should do fine. Nowadays trying to find a specific bullet tends to be an exercise in futility often too. You are pretty much stuck with whatever you can get.
I wonder how those DCs would shoot in a classic rifle like say, oh I don't know, maybe a new MK85?Midway sold a bunch of Deep Curl blems a few years ago, just about the time Speer discontinued them. i grabbed a couple boxes. I planned to load them in 450bm but ive been so happy with the XTPs that i never bothered to try the DCs.
Thanks for your tip. Getting back to previous replies about buying separate packs of sabots and a quantity of bullets, does anyone sell, for instance a 50 or 100 quantity of just these bullets and these sabots? Or is the only way to buy these in combo packages? Thanks
250 is overkill. And recoil is like an elephant gun. Only reason has been availability.Ok i will just out right ask why do you need a bullet that weighs over 250 gr shooting a deer ? I have killed a pick-up truck load of them with 40 gr bullets
If you are using tubes to measure powder, you don't really know, get a "real" powder measure.Am I loading too hot with 105 by volume of BH209
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