209 Primers

[HHI6818]

Stopped in LGS today and was surprised to see so many muzzleloader primers in stock. Price stinks

 

[BlackPowderGuy (AJHS)]

I stopped at a local shop today and they had good supply of everything except BH209. They had "ML" primers on the shelf but Federal 209A's behind the counter. And a ton, I mean a ton of Firesticks...Someone on here mentioned the other day that Hogdon is siphoning off the BH for use in the Firestick...and based on the shelves that I saw and that ya'll are posting, I am thinking that is right. You'd think absolutely everyone owns a nitrofire now!

 

[deermanok]

Wow, 20 bucks for 100.
I bought a couple 100 of the Federal 209MZ at Walmart in August, paid about 6 bucks a pack. Talk about inflation.

 

[BlackPowderGuy (AJHS)]

Walmart in MD doesn't carry ML supplies anymore, barely has a hunting section at all. Very frustrating.

 

[11th Corps]

Yeah, that's pretty expensive.
On the other hand, how many 209 primers do you go through in a season, especially if you are a hunter?
I would say be glad you can find them.
Sadly I would say the days of inexpensive components-either smokeless or BP/synthetic/are probably over.

 

[retrieverman]

I’m using some Winchester 209 shotgun primers I paid $2.79 for.

 

[Tannhauser]

Are the muzzleloader specific primers hotter, cooler or the same as standard 209 primers? I use CCI 209M primers, but I'm down to my last 120 or so. Plenty for this season, but I'll need to restock at some point.

 

[Jitterbug]

Are the muzzleloader specific primers hotter, cooler or the same as standard 209 primers? I use CCI 209M primers, but I'm down to my last 120 or so. Plenty for this season, but I'll need to restock at some point.

“Cooler.”

I’ve heard differing opinions whether that refers to the intensity (“heat”) of the ignition, or the duration of the ignition… but at least one of the factors is supposed to be lesser, in the 209s designed for muzzleloading.

If I have my history correct, the impetus behind the development of MZ-specific 209s was to help combat the forming of the Triple Seven “crud ring.”

Well, that… and they could charge you more for “special” primers.

 

[MrTom]

I'd be shopping elsewhere if I saw those prices and I'd let the management know why. I bought Winchester 209 primers, not muzzleloader specific, for under $5 at the height of the big covid " I can't find any" meltdown. $20/tray is thievery. If I were stuck with those low powered primers I'd certainly do some shopping to find some that don't cost you your eyeballs. Damn.

 

[michiganmuzzy]

Are the muzzleloader specific primers hotter, cooler or the same as standard 209 primers? I use CCI 209M primers, but I'm down to my last 120 or so. Plenty for this season, but I'll need to restock at some point.

Im not sure cooler is the right word but, they are supposed to be less powerful. A couple theories/reasons for that. Crud ring and bullet pushed up off of powder before ignition are common reasons for using them.

 

[HHI6818]

Here’s what Winchester says about T7 primers

Winchester Triple Seven Primers are specifically designed for Muzzleloading and are milder than typical 209 Shotshell Primers. Milder primers do not force the powder charge forward, helping to maintain consistent velocities and minimize formation of crud rings. These primers are rigorously tested for consistency and sensitivity at temperatures and conditions far beyond the range of normal usage. Winchester guarantees better sensitivity for more positive firing in all guns, consistency in size and quality and stability in extremes of temperatures and humidity. These primers are not designed to be used in shotshells,

 

[robertb]

It was just last season that Sportsman Warehouse had 1K Cheddite Clerinox CX2000 209s for $30. Midway has them for $75 right now:

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1025744477

 

[Tony gilbert]

Walmart in MD doesn't carry ML supplies anymore, barely has a hunting section at all. Very frustrating.

i go to either dicks or cabelas

 

[Tony gilbert]

I'd be shopping elsewhere if I saw those prices and I'd let the management know why. I bought Winchester 209 primers, not muzzleloader specific, for under $5 at the height of the big covid " I can't find any" meltdown. $20/tray is thievery. If I were stuck with those low powered primers I'd certainly do some shopping to find some that don't cost you your eyeballs. Damn.

yeah im not paying $20 for a 100

 

[phalanx]

Dicks in my area carries zero hunting supplies. They went "woke" and removed guns and supplies a few years ago. Don't even go in it any more, clothes, sneakers and golf equipment is about all they sell.

 

[michiganmuzzy]

Dicks in my area carries zero hunting supplies. They went "woke" and removed guns and supplies a few years ago. Don't even go in it any more, clothes, sneakers and golf equipment is about all they sell.

X2. Ill go back to Cabelas before i go to Dicks

 

[Tony gilbert]

Dicks in my area carries zero hunting supplies. They went "woke" and removed guns and supplies a few years ago. Don't even go in it any more, clothes, sneakers and golf equipment is about all they sell.

thats crazy my still has everything but im in country so

 

[phalanx]

Tony,

Yours may be removed at some point too:

Dick's Sporting Goods will remove hunting departments from 440 more stores nationwide, continuing a program that began last year when the category was eliminated from 125 stores. The Pittsburgh-based sporting goods chain announced the news in its quarterly earnings news release Tuesday morning.Mar 10, 2020

 

[eekjellander]

I'd be shopping elsewhere if I saw those prices and I'd let the management know why. I bought Winchester 209 primers, not muzzleloader specific, for under $5 at the height of the big covid " I can't find any" meltdown. $20/tray is thievery. If I were stuck with those low powered primers I'd certainly do some shopping to find some that don't cost you your eyeballs. Damn.

If you needed them you'd buy them or you could go another 10 ft on your new fencepost