I'm such a freak,,,I never practice with rod in,, because I always carry a three piece in my pocket ,, when I first started muzzleloading the rods and the hangers really bothered me,, from my days as an amateur bolt action rifle builder I never wanted anything touching or hanging off of my barrel,, I wanted an uninterrupted harmonic if I could achieve it ,always felt anything connected to that barrel potentially interfered with it,,,,truth is if I designed my own gun it would be like the new accura,,or many older target muzzleloaders like Gibbs etc ,,no rod holders,,as I write this I laugh,,still very influenced by years of centerfire.most of my rods are pilled in the corner,,my mind is stuck in free float barrels always,,to me that's nothing touching it.