I wanted to share this with all you avid shooters out there. I discovered a wonderful ramrod made by AO Sight Systems. It is a very strong solid aluminum rod with witness marks and attached T-Handle to handle even the most stubborn bullet sabot combos. (GunAccessories.com) carries a huge selection of these indestructable rods. They even have them listed by what brand of gun they will fit, eliminating the guess work as to what length you need. Even if you do not see your particular application, they will customize one for your particular gun. Good-Shooting!