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ok thanks Grouse ....
I think the statement about "$700 is a lot of money for a muzzleloader" remains the most valid point made. I can find two triumphs for that price when not on sale, 3 if you take advantage of wal-mart's sales.
1) I can find a gun case myself, thank you.
2)I don't mind that someone esle hasn't function fired my gun before selling it to me. It's never seemed to have been an issue.
3)Who cares if it includes base/rings if you are going to go drop another $100 (or more) for heavy duty steel base/rings such as those by warne
4) 3/8" socket head and socket wrench that I'll have to keep track of when I can just use my fingers on a triumph
5) I'm glad that it can keep up with the accuracy of my triumph
6 The trigger is nice, but is it $300-400 nice?
7) I don't understand the point about restoring the breech plug to new.
Strongest action, but can't shoot smokeless so what's the point?
The short of it: for $700 I can get a ML that is crazy accurate and easy to use without need for additional tools, top it with the best rings and bases, an ultimate slam scope, a gun case, and all the accessories/shooting supplies I will need for the next year. I'll miss out on the accutrigger, but I'll take the rest of the above over the accutrigger. So is the $700 on the savage money well-spent? Not by my reckoning.
Doohan said:I think the real question is...
The Savage / Cabelas 10ML-BP vs the Knight Extreme Ultimate Slam
Cant wait to see them head to head.
Doohan said:I am waiting to see a good review. I read Toby's rag but I really don't take much he says to heart. He has a long standing love affair with Knight and he would be the last person to post an objective opinion.
Knight has lost their way IMHO within the last few years with their lineup of weird looking guns and old ignition systems. Knight is long on marketing and short on product. Something I look for Knight to make right with this new gun. Knight is also known for high dollar rollouts. Before the introduction of BH209 I LAUGHED at the price of the LRH. Now, they are at a price point they should have been at all along.
I suppose I am excited. The new Knight appeals to me. It excites me to see them roll out a gun that gets us back on track with the Disc Elite. IMHO since they discontinued the Elite, Knight has been in a tailspin.
So, Knight Ultimate Slam vs Cabelas 10ML BP will be an interesting matchup. They will most likely be priced in the same ballpark and they both are offered in STAINLESS STEEL !!! ( Hello T/C !!! You put lipstick on a pig... It's still a PIG!! ) The 10ML is a tough act to follow... and THANK YOU KNIGHT for getting back to your roots.
Chuck...
Where is the barrel nut ?
Doohan said:I am waiting to see a good review. I read Toby's rag but I really don't take much he says to heart. He has a long standing love affair with Knight and he would be the last person to post an objective opinion.
Knight has lost their way IMHO within the last few years with their lineup of wierd looking guns and old ignition systems. Knight is long on marketing and short on product. Something I look for Knight to make right with this new gun. Knight is also known for high dollar rollouts. Before the introduction of BH209 I LAUGHED at the price of the LRH. Now, they are at a price point they should have been at all along.
I suppose I am excited. The new Knight appeals to me. It excites me to see them roll out a gun that gets us back on track with the Disc Elite. IMHO since they discontinued the Elite, Knight has been in a tailspin.
So, Knight Ultimate Slam vs Cabelas 10ML BP will be an interesting matchup. They will most likely be priced in the same ballpark and they both are offered in STAINLESS STEEL !!! ( Hello T/C !!! You put lipstick on a pig... It's still a PIG!! ) The 10ML is a tough act to follow... and THANK YOU KNIGHT for getting back to your roots.
A Savage has no chance against a Disc Elite shooting Black powders subs. The Disc Elite is more accurate out of the box. The Disc Elite has a better barrel, The Disc Elite has better Stocks. The Disc Elite has a QR bolt. The Disc Elite has just as good of a trigger. You might need to send it back to Knight at no charge other then shipping to make it like you want it. The Disc Elite shoots a wide variety of bullets very accurate. The Disc Elite has a better breech plug. The Disc Elite is better in just about every category.
big6x6 said:Whatever...
Grouse said:big6x6 said:Whatever...
You dont agree? What Muzzleloader had your two farthest kills? What out of the box muzzleloader have you shot your best groups at 150yds and above with? I wont go any further :wink:
younghunter_86 said:http://dougsmessageboards.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=smokeless&action=display&thread=25
~ 1/2 ways down the page, I can't resist any longer. 8) 8) 8)
Grouse said:How come you didnt post your Disc Elite targets? :?
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