209A primers..I’m having a hard time getting the Bh 209 powder to ignite with a standard Winchester 209 primer..how do you get a few Federal 209A prIm

[MichaelRich53]

Having a hard time igniting bh-209 powder using standard Winchester 209 primers without using 2 or 3 of them..:/..how can you get some Federal 209A magnum primers?..it seems they want you to pay 30 bucks hazmat and 10 bucks extra shipping @ most mail order places..also, do you guy’s know if the new Federal MZ 209 primers are magnum primers?…I know some of the older MZ primers were weaker..thanks!..

 

[CatamountRob]

I believe any muzzleloader specific primer will be on the milder end of the spectrum.
What rifle are you using and have you cleaned your breechplug with drill bits spun by hand to scrape out hardened carbon?
Most people seem to find the regular Winchester 209 shotgun primers sufficient.

If you order primers you have to pay HazMat unless the place you are ordering from is running a no HazMat deal.

 

[billyboy*]

https://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/threads/federal-premium-209mz-muzzleloading-primers.56419/
Please see link above. The Federal 209MZ is Weaker than the Federal 209A. As stated, the Winchester 209s should work in Clean Shorter Flame Channel Breech Plugs. You didn't mention what Rifle you are using.

 

[UndeadPoet]

Welcome! Cleaning may be the key…

 

[deermanok]

You didn't mention what bullets you're using.
Seating pressure needs to be consistent, shot to shot.
Seems Blackhorn needs to be packed pretty tight to function properly.

 

[Smyrnagc]

Do you have a BH209 compatible breechplug or a standard factory one for other powders?

 

[MichaelRich53]

I believe any muzzleloader specific primer will be on the milder end of the spectrum.
What rifle are you using and have you cleaned your breechplug with drill bits spun by hand to scrape out hardened carbon?
Most people seem to find the regular Winchester 209 shotgun primers sufficient.

If you order primers you have to pay HazMat unless the place you are ordering from is running a no HazMat deal.

I’m shooting a cva Apollo I always keep the breech plug and gun clean..thx!…I’m having to pop 2or 3 to ignite the bh-209…

Do you have a BH209 compatible breechplug or a standard factory one for other powders?

I can only say it’s a 209 breech plug that I ordered several years ago…do you know what diameter the hole should be for the bh-209,say compared to a standard 209 breech plug hole?..thx!..

 

[CatamountRob]

I’m shooting a cva Apollo I always keep the breech plug and gun clean..thx!…I’m having to pop 2or 3 to ignite the bh-209…

I can only say it’s a 209 breech plug that I ordered several years ago…do you know what diameter the hole should be for the bh-209,say compared to a standard 209 breech plug hole?..thx!..

Isn’t that a slam fire gun like a T/C Black Diamond or is it an actual bolt gun?

Maybe post some pictures of the breechplug and someone can probably tell you why you’re having a problem. Not all breechplugs will work well with BH209 and not all action types are suitable for it.

 

[deermanok]

Some older guns have conversion kits to use Blackhorn 209. You say that you changed the breech plug but what about the bolt/spring assembly?
The original setup may not be strong enough for Blackhorn.
You'll most likely have less problems going back to the original plug, # 11 or musket caps and real black powder or Triple 7.

 

[CatamountRob]

A conversion kit for 209 primers doesn’t mean it’s necessarily compatible with BH209.
I don’t think you’ll get reliable ignition if the primer isn’t enclosed and the action can blow back.

 

[Okie Hog]

The CVA Apollo is a slam fire rifle. Firing Black Horn 209 powder in that rifle is iffy at best and could be dangerous. An acquaintance was struck in the face by the expended 209 primer.

 

[deermanok]

I recently bought a vintage TC thunderhawk from a member here.
They do make a 209 conversion kit for it but I have no plans to change anything as the gun shoots fine with # 11 caps and T7 as a powder.

 

[billyboy*]

RECALL NOTICE: If you have a 1995 or 1996 CVA in-line rifle with a serial number ending in -95 or -96, please call us at 770-449-4687 or email us here for important information about your gun.

You may want to check & see if your CVA Apollo was Recalled.

 

[Smyrnagc]

Here is a link:

https://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/threads/bh-209-in-a-cva-apollo.34730/
Recall: The recall seems to be for rifles with the serial number ending in 95 or 96.

 

[MichaelRich53]

Isn’t that a slam fire gun like a T/C Black Diamond or is it an actual bolt gun?

Maybe post some pictures of the breechplug and someone can probably tell you why you’re having a problem. Not all breechplugs will work well with BH209 and not all action types are suitable for it.

It is a slam fire,not a bolt gun..I just sent it back to the factory for a recall or I would post some photos!..thx!..

 

[jd24.5.48]

I’m shooting a cva Apollo I always keep the breech plug and gun clean..thx!…I’m having to pop 2or 3 to ignite the bh-209…

I can only say it’s a 209 breech plug that I ordered several years ago…do you know what diameter the hole should be for the bh-209,say compared to a standard 209 breech plug hole?..thx!..

Blackhorn isn't recommended to be used in that muzzleloader! Try some pyrodex rs or maybe 777.

 

[jd24.5.48]

It is a slam fire,not a bolt gun..I just sent it back to the factory for a recall or I would post some photos!..thx!..

Did they say what they are going to do about it? Are they going to send you a newer muzzleloader?

 

[MichaelRich53]

Blackhorn isn't recommended to be used in that muzzleloader! Try some pyrodex rs or maybe 777.

Thx!..

 

[MichaelRich53]

Did they say what they are going to do about it? Are they going to send you a newer muzzleloader?

They didn’t say…they said send it in for repair…and not to shoot it anymore…the last part of the serial # is -97..I’m not sure if it’s a 1997 model..I bought it maybe 25 years ago,new..

 

[jd24.5.48]

They didn’t say…they said send it in for repair…and not to shoot it anymore…the last part of the serial # is -97..I’m not sure if it’s a 1997 model..I bought it maybe 25 years ago,new..

I don't remember why they were recalled them and that's why I was wondering what they going to do about it! Let's us know what they do!