CVA Accura V2 LR .45 Caliber - PR3132NM

I'm very interested in this rifle. Has anyone seen it actually for sale, and not just backordered? I'm shooting big bullets (400 gr. +), and I believe that the 1:22 twist will be superior to the common 1:28 twist. It also has the long (30") barrel, which I see as a free increase in velocity. I'm hoping, probably in vain, that someone will start making long for caliber .357 bullets or sabots for some of the rifle bullets already out there. I hunt elk, and believe strongly that a high Sectional Density (SD of .280 or better) is what is needed for longer range (250 yard) clean kills and blood trail for tracking. I've had great success with .45 caliber 400 gr. jacketed bullets in my .50, but would like to shoot bullets with higher ballistic coefficients and higher SD. I'd also like cheaper bullets. I shoot a lot, and $2 bullets don't work for me.

I dont think a 1-22 is gunna cut it for 357-358s much over 200gr. PR bullet already offers a 45x357 195gr Dead Center. ATM you can buy a 40cal 250gr that will shoot in a 1-22 and a 275gr that will probably shoot in a 1-20 if the sabot would handle it. That is were the big problem lies with both. We dont have sabots made to handle larger 35cal or 40cal bullets and chances are slim you will see them anytime soon.

Twists faster than 1-20 can be very rough on sabots also. You would need a 357 250gr to reach .280 SD and a 40cal well over 300gr. I dont see that ever happening considering you will probably need a twist faster than 1-18 to stabilize them.

This is a 300gr or a 305gr 40 in a HLB sabot. Its already way to long for the sabot IMO.

As for the LR with a 30" barrel. The fps increase is hardly free. The rifle cost more than other options and actual fps increase will be around 100fps if you are lucky vs a 25" barrel. The rifle weighs more and might not balance as well. I checked all over and cant find them in stock yet. The 50cal LR weighs in around 8.1lbs if the specs are accurate. The 45cal version will more than likely weigh more if they kept the same barrel contour.

If you want a heavy 45cal with a 1-20 twist they already exist and have for many years. They are proven winners at Friendship.

The specs from Modern Muzzleloader show 7.3 lbs. I'm not aware of a current production rifle in .45 with a 1-20 twist. Which rifles are you referring to? I have seen some custom rifles, and some Encore barrels. 100 fps seems significant to me. I'm hunting elk, and shooting at ranges over 200 yards. Every deer I've ever shot with a modern muzzleloader has dropped in its tracks, but elk are different.

The 50cal LRs are 8.1lbs and like i said if its the same contour as the 50cal...It will be heavier. Same barrel+smaller hole=more weight. Depending on the load, you realistically will see between 15fps to 18fps increase per inch. Maybe as high as 20fps with some loads. ML dot COM also says the standard Accura thumbhole is 7.3lbs....kinda doubt a longer barrel rifle with the same action and stock is going to be lighter.

Knight Mountaineer 1-20 and Knight Ultra Lite 1-20 are current models. Early Knight DISC rifles are also 1-20 spending on the serial#. White Rifle 45s were all 1-20s. If you had a Encore you could buy a MGM 45al 1-20 barrel right now for less than any of them. ATM there is a 45cal 1-20 Super DISC in the classified for less but it would need a "Extreme" bolt upgrade IMO.

Frankly i hear this all the time. People want to play the long range game but not pay the price. Long range cost more money, its that simple. Good high BC bullets are not cheap. The long range game atm is dominated by 45cal fast twist shooting either large conicals or high BC 45cal bullets sabotless. Very few sabot shooters are winning the inline matches. I can think of 1 that does ok.

Thank you for your replies. I have a bunch of questions, if you don't mind. I do have an Encore, and I have considered the MGM barrels. In your option, would the MGM barrel be more accurate than a stock CVA? Do you hunt elk? I'm getting good groups with 400 gr. conicals, and 80 gr. of Black MZ ), but I don't know if that will drop elk as well as what I've been using (405 gr. Remington .458s with 115 gr. of 777 in my .50 cal). I've had 3 elk drop in their tracks, and one go 40 yards, and I'm shooting most at 220 yds. That is the performance I'm looking for, but the accuracy is only fair (3" @ 100 yds). Do you find that the accuracy with 400 -500 gr. bullets is better with loads under 100 gr.? Do you shoot black powder, substitutes, or smokeless? Have you used the high B.C. bullets on game?

MGM has a good track record and the newer 45cal ML barrels are pretty well thought out including the breach plug. Its rather hard to say its more accurate than the CVA 45s considering the CVAs have just been released. They also make a barrel for ArrowHead using a Brux 1-20 barrel. It cost substantially more but its rated for "other powders" too.

When i shoot bullets heavier than 300gr they are soft lead conicals. Around 2100fps is very possible with 84gr by weight of BH209 and a 300gr jacketed bullet. Custom 45cal barrels can usually handle a little more powder. I have no need for really high BC bullets so i dont buy many unless i get a deal on some. Im more interested in better construction than BC.

I shoot mainly BH209, smokeless and a little Swiss occasionally.

Anyone else out there shooting a LR .45 Accura. I have had dismal luck with mine. I got it back in September, and it sat in the safe throughout hunting season, because I couldn't get good groups out of it. The barrel gets tighter as the bullet goes down. That can't be good. I've got a few more combinations to try with it, but right now I'm ready to send it back to CVA.

mnoland30 said:

Anyone else out there shooting a LR .45 Accura. I have had dismal luck with mine. I got it back in September, and it sat in the safe throughout hunting season, because I couldn't get good groups out of it. The barrel gets tighter as the bullet goes down. That can't be good. I've got a few more combinations to try with it, but right now I'm ready to send it back to CVA.

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I have one, got it around the same time. I've only had it at the range once so far. I've only tried conicals on bh209 so far. Thoroughly cleaned it when I got it cuz they use something to preserve it that i i didn't want to bake onto the nitride. 1 load was a 346gr .452 40:1 Gould hp on a wool wad over 80grV bh209. The other load was a 420gr .451 knurled up No Excuses on a wool wad over 80grV bh209. Both shot with a Hankins DIS ignition. Shot ok but only 3 shots each at 50 yards to get a feel. 1 - 1.5"ish groups, i didn't measure. Bore felt fine. No loose or tight spots.
Did you shoot sabots? What powder? Maybe you should call CVA, see what they say. I'm sure they will tell you to try powerbelts or their elr bullet.

Im going to cast and size up a few more bullets today. And if the range is open, i think I'll go shoot it and see if i can tune in something. ML season ended yesterday and im off work for a couple weeks.

I would back off the load a bit. I bet the groups tighten up with 70gr of BH209 by volume. My Pacnor 45 1-22 will shoot the Gould bullet very well with 70grV and so does my Super DISC. I would not use more unless you move upto a 460gr and i would consider 80grV about max.

A bullet that shot stellar for me in other 45s was the 45cal 300gr PB Plat with upto 90gr by volume. The bullet should work well at around 80gr too in a faster twist. Very expensive but if you can find a deal on them its not too bad.

85grV bh209, lubed wool wad .45, DIS, 475grn 40:1 .454, 50 yards. NASA lube.

Bottom right hole was a 420 NE

I shot 4 different bullets today. All on 60grW/85grV bh209. The two good groupers i also shot on 80grV and 90grV.
The Gould at 436grn .452 and a Lyman 476grn .454 shot pretty good at 80 & 85. The 476 shot good at 90 but, ouch, I don't like getting banged in the face and shoulder that much.
Gould at 85grV

Lyman 476gr at 80grV

NE420 at 85grV

Lyman 370gr at 85grV .452

All except the NE420 used NASA lube.
After Christmas im gonna shoot it at 100 with these good ones and also shoot some saboted 200 & 250 grn something's tbd.

I want one of these 45cal myself
But not for the same reason you do. I have no need for long distance shooting as I hunt thick river bottoms so I want to have the barrel cut down to 25-26" have it recrownd and make it a dedicated Conical shooter. I'd love to have one of the Knight Mountain 45s but can't justify that much money at this time. Maybe one day. Lol. I have the reg. Accura V2 SS Black TH stock and it shoots saboted bullets with GREAT Accuracy if the 45 Accura shoots big lead conicals like I am hoping then boy howdy I'll be one happy turd.

knightnut2000 said:

I want one of these 45cal myself
But not for the same reason you do. I have no need for long distance shooting as I hunt thick river bottoms so I want to have the barrel cut down to 25-26" have it recrownd and make it a dedicated Conical shooter. I'd love to have one of the Knight Mountain 45s but can't justify that much money at this time. Maybe one day. Lol. I have the reg. Accura V2 SS Black TH stock and it shoots saboted bullets with GREAT Accuracy if the 45 Accura shoots big lead conicals like I am hoping then boy howdy I'll be one happy turd.

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I thought about cutting it down but right now it on k y comes fluted and nitrided. A sst version w/o fluting and i would make my own MR. Mine seems to have slightly bigger bore. I shot best with 452 and 454 bullets. I may have to make a 453 out of a Lee 452 sizer.

michiganmuzzy said:

I shot 4 different bullets today. All on 60grW/85grV bh209. The two good groupers i also shot on 80grV and 90grV.
The Gould at 436grn .452 and a Lyman 476grn .454 shot pretty good at 80 & 85. The 476 shot good at 90 but, ouch, I don't like getting banged in the face and shoulder that much.
Gould at 85grV
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Lyman 476gr at 80grV
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NE420 at 85grV
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Lyman 370gr at 85grV .452
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All except the NE420 used NASA lube.
After Christmas im gonna shoot it at 100 with these good ones and also shoot some saboted 200 & 250 grn something's tbd.

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Oops, Goulds were 346, not 436.
Seems like my gun shoots alil left when warm.

Everyone needs to nag CVA for a 45 1-22 Optima V2 in a "youth" rifle.

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I would totally agree with that. They need to start making a youth rifle in .45 and .50 also they need to design the butt stocks with an adjustable spacers like Mossberg did with their shotguns not everyone has a 14" - 14.25" lop especially when they are hunting in heavy coats .

45cal is the ideal caliber for a youth rifle for most deer hunters. A 200gr 40cal in a sabot at 1800fps is very easy on the shoulder and plenty deadly. As he grows it will handle conicals that would take down any NA big game where it is legal.

I love shooting the 350ish grain Gould bullet in mine. Low recoil and perfect for deer within 125 yards. The one thing i dont have is a sub 8lb 45cal. An Optima 45 would do that with a little wiggle room and wont break the bank either.

They do offer a youth stock for the Wolf but the Optima is a bit more flexible. There are several buttstock choices including the Scout V2 takedown model with a compact stock. Scout buttstocks fit the Optima.

Lightest, shortest, best handling .45s I own are the BlackDiamond xr and a White Mntn Carbine. Wish they still made that WMC but with a bit faster twist. I would love it in a 1:28 or faster. Its a geat shooter with a Gould conical.