Got out this AM for NY muzzleloader with HB #151. I shot a doe at 50 yds using 42 gns 5744, 250 Hornady XTP, and short MMP sabot and RW ventliner. Deer went 10 yds and fell over, the XTP made a 2 inch hole on either side of the ribcage and took out the heart. What a great shooting muzzleloader, and no need to spend this afternoon cleaning the gun! Thanks again to all for all the great info and help.