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Yes, but that proves nothing. It's the kind of info i'd find too. I never could find half stock and flintlock words together.
Usually that combination of words was a custom built firearm, not run of the mill knock them out production guns.Bear Claw said:Yes, but that proves nothing. It's the kind of info i'd find too. I never could find half stock and flintlock words together.
That does not make sense, because there's more labor involved with additional inletting with longer barrel channel, additional pins needed to hold barrel to longer stock, and additional ramrod pipes inlet.FrontierGander said:I think it was the mountain mans sketch book that said this, but im not 100% sure.. I read that the full stock hawken was actually $18 cheaper than the half stock. Not sure how that makes sense?
I can understand the appeal of a rifle of the S Hawken period, but my interest is in the fur trade prior to 1830. And I would suppose that most of the guns in the Rockies were Indian trade flinters. But I have my head set on getting what I imagine would have been a rifle by J & S Hawken. The GRRW.CA H03 fairly well fits my needs along this line.lighthorseman said:Turkey Snout...for what it's worth, if I had one built, I'd go with a half stock gun with a 36" .62 caliber barrel with an English lock with waterproof pan and a fancy patchbox like the one on the Smithsonian gun.
Pics of the Smithsonian Hawken - an 1850 era Sam Hawken built rifle
As noted The Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly, vol13, issue 4 , 1977 has an article on the Kennett Hawken (another 1850's era fullstock - it's in the School of the Ozarks) which includes info on and photos of the Smithsonian Hawken....they sell scanned copies of the article alone. The lock is clearly a converted flinter and all other signs point to the gun being originally a flint. The tacks on the wrist are part of a repair and the fore end cap is Schnabel shaped.
Here are the best pics I have of the Kennett
I posted this last summer, need to correct pictures??? :Bear Claw said:True, and I agree with that. However, if just one trapper in the fur trade era had a Hawken. We can feel good about owning one, or even a lousy replica of one.
Used for a club or falling off a horse.Bear Claw said:I notice a lot of them have repairs on the stock at the wrist area. Was that from using them as clubs?
I'm with you. Seen an awful lot of rifles with broken stocks or bent barrels from horse wrecks. Seen some survive pretty rough treatment too, so you never know till the dust settles. But horses will be horses, whether they take a spill or simply take it into their bony heads that it's time to lay down and roll around a bit.conner said:We both felt something heavy had to have hit the barrel to have bent it.
Once home got to looking at some of the old pictures of the wife's relation and found this rifle in a scabbard. His horse had probably taken a spill and bent the barrel.
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