NMLRA Mfg Matches (1998-2006)

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I put this bit of past history together.
I’ve spoken to all the Individual winners and multiple team members- this was 20 years ago, so not everyone could recall all the details.
Thanks to the NMLRA staff for their assistance as well.

2006 Match announcement.

 

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Targets- off hand.
Matches 1, 2 & 3 - 25, 50, 75yds
Note the $0.25 quarter I placed on the target for reference.

 

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Match 4 - 100yd Target - prone

 

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Early results posted in M.B. magazine.

 

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Results and load data I gathered from talking to the winners.





A couple of things I learned from talking to everyone.
1) What a T/C system 1 was - if anyone has pictures please start another post and share. Chad shot the Encore in 2000 (new) as directed by T/C.

2) Knight had 2 teams after year 1, which was comprised of primarily Knight staff.
Used Bighorns 1998, 1999 & 2000 using 90gr 2f & 250gr Barnes/ sabots.
Both Teams shot 45 DISC in 2001 & 45 DE from then on, changing to 1:18 in 2004.

Team#1 - 2001 shot 300gr PR bullets over 120gr 2f Swiss.
2002 - 1/2 the team started shooting 305 & 350gr Conicals over 45-65gr T7.
2003 and after - all conicals

Team#2 - 2001 used a 175 solid copper sabot with the exception of one shooter who shot a 50 (they said well) using a Barnes deep big HP in a sabot. They didn’t have luck with PR.
- 2003 started using conical’s, playing with bullets/loads.
- They were unsure of the twist rate in the early 45s except HP Gregory, who just knew it was factory and slow (1:30 he agreed).

3) White intered in/out over the years, M. Crane gave me the load/Rifle details. He is a great Flint shooter and Shuetzen champ as well, that’s where the .36 cal came from as Doc asked him what he thought it would take to win. He knew Knight had been shooting the 45 conicals well, so at the 150yd max distance, he thought there shuetzen loads would also do well.
- White team shot the White System.410 in 2005 (M. Cranes team 1st year).
- I learned they all were all using one of my PT lined nipple! Ha

4) many agreed the rifles had gotten away from basic - not a bad thing in a way as far as development.

5) Hodgdon was a big supporter in this match.

 

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Double click on the image and it may open larger & clearer. They had to be reduced in size to post on this site.

 

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Thanks for all the time put into this. :applause: :applause: :applause:

 

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:applause: :applause: Thanks clears up a lot of Questions

 

[Idaholewis]

Targets are Cool Rick! :yeah:

 

[RWE]

Great job thanks....

 

[GM54-120]

Thank you very much Rick. That fills in a lot of the gaps. I thought White used the .410 at some point but i was not sure. For me anyway, this is not about who won as much as it is what was used and who was there. What kinds of rifles and loads were super hard to pin down.

The 175gr copper in a sabot might have been the Knight Redhot. Barnes makes those exclusively for Knight to this day.
https://www.muzzleloaders.com/product/r ... r-bullets/

 

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That fills in a lot of the gaps.
For me anyway, this is not about who won as much as it is what was used and who was there. What kinds of rifles and loads were super hard to pin down.

Yes it does.. Still don’t know how many makers shot and what years- I know A&H had a team.
Gives some insight with loads, 150yds surprised me.
I actually think the current distance to 300meters is more appropriate.
Maybe I’ll uncover some more - who knows, but this was good to capture.

 

[Dougs136Schwartz]

Thats very interesting . I wish i knew about this sport back then. I may have been competing with a rifle instead of a bow durig that time period.

Would you agree shooting that much offhand would be more about the shooter than the gun and load ?

Thank you for your time Rick.

 

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Thats very interesting . I wish i knew about this sport back then. I may have been competing with a rifle instead of a bow durig that time period.

Would you agree shooting that much offhand would be more about the shooter than the gun and load ?

Thank you for your time Rick.

Yes I would Doug

 

[GM54-120]

Did you notice Tony Knight shot at least 2 years? Thats kinda cool.

I did know A&H were there before and did ok but the details were unclear. Savage was there at least once too but the details are really hard to find other than they used BlackMag once.

 

[WV Hunter]

Cool, good info thanks for sharing! :yeah:

 

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More Info, also edited some info above about Knight I learned from another team member.

From MuzzleBlast Magazine- 2001, 2002 & 2003:

 

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2004

 

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2005:

 

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2006: