sabotloader said:
I can understand how those circle inserts probably work well with targets... but I know myself I would be more concerned that I had the perfect circle all the way around the insert - I would probably never get the best shot... I can however pot a dot on a post and be able to shoot with decent confidence. Just have not shot circle inserts since high school ROTC shooting team and then again how big of an error can get in 50'.
You are shooting Swiss and 3f which is very energetic powder - have you ever compared that with Swiss 2f?
What volume is your load? Again I am wondering about leading the bore especially behind the lands. I was once told that I should not shoot full bore lead above 1200fps as it would really speed the lead trapped in the bore. I have no idea for sure?
Additionally you mention you patch the bore clean (near clean) after each shot - have you ever tried just shooting without patching to see what your groups might do. With the T7 that I use and shooting caps I really never have to run a patch after shooting... normally I do run one patch up and down once - in fact I use the same patch for several shots. This way, I am shooting what I call a 'semi fouled' bore just as I would while hunting.
Another thing I have done with my LRH barrels is I have 'soft' bedded the barrel to a certain extent in front of the wedge key. And there is no way that I can be positive of this but from watching the video I really wonder if your 'barrel harmonics' are changing your POI.
O - one more thing - I am really surprised that you can shoot paper patch with Swiss and not burn right through the paper. That is the reason I went to the shot card with the Bull Shops. They certainly are not needed - but in my case I was melting the bottom of the bullet with the heat created shooting T7 so they act as an insulator.
Mike, These Circle inserts are ABSOLUTELY Amazing when Matched with the Black Aiming Bull, There is definitely a reason Guy’s like Shaver’s, and Dave Gullo, Just to name a Few use them out to 1,000 Yards and Beyond, They Work EXTREMELY well! Dave Gullo asked me way back what i was using? This was before i had tried the Circles, At that time i was using the Shaver’s fine bead insert, Dave gave me kind of a funny look and said really? I asked him what he used? He told me he preferred the Circles, That he liked to “See what he wanted to hit” And then after Visiting with Lee Shaver’s over the Phone a few times I decided i had to get a Card of Lee’s Circles and try them, After i tried them i was hooked! The BIG Key is Matching them to your Target, From my bench i take the Time to Swap them out until i find the Size that gives me the best sight picture.
I shoot Swiss exclusively, Both 2, and 3F, I have tested the Difference in Volume to Weight Grains Several times and it comes out REALLY REALLY close. I find that 70 Weight Grains of Swiss 3F and 80 Weight Grains of 2F Run Really close. I have never actually used my Volume Measurers, I have 2 really nice ones, But i choose to weigh my Charges out in Weight Grains (My Old mentality from YEARS of Reloading Centerfire i guess?) I pre weigh my charges to the 10th of a Grain and place them in my Vials. And when i Cast my bullets i am REALLY Picky with what I keep, I am looking for perfect bases, even if they all weigh the same but my Bases aren’t “Sharp” They Go back in the Lead pot, I start keeping bullets when my bases are fully filled out and “Sharp” Then they all get Weighed, when everything is right my bullets will weigh right on with eachother, or within a 1/2 Grain Which is very acceptable. My No. 1 Goal in this stuff is the best Accuracy i can possibly get from My Rifles, By taking out EVERY possible variable i can i feel like it gives me an edge.
I have NEVER had a problem with Leading, I have Shot 130 Grain Maxi Balls from my .36 Senecas at 1800 FPS and stil no leading.
My Swabbing Routine is 1 Wet Patch with excess “Rung” out, I run that in and short stroke the Crud Ring Area several short 2-3” Strokes, Then out and Drop it. I then run 2, maybe 3 Dry ones. I cap my rifle and point it Straight down at the Ground and pop that Cap off, You would be amazed at the Crud that breaks loose from the Fire channel/Patented breech. Then i reload
I followed your steps and bedded this Rifle just like yours :yeah: I am Confident the Problem this morning was the 2 Wad Combo wasn’t working, i have seen it before, My Lyman 292 Grain bullet did this EXACT same thing, This is why after my 3rd shot this morning when i seen it wasn’t gonna work, i chose to shoot my last 2 Shots with Wool Felt OP Wad ONLY, And those 2 shots were about a Half inch apart. Oddly, The 2 Wad Combo worked like a Dream back in the Spring?
On my PP bullets i find the Majority of my papers within 15 feet or so of the Muzzle, Lot of times i can see them Floating to the Ground, In all of my papers i have looked at i have not seen any sign of Burning? The .060 Vege Fibre, or 1/8 Wool Felt OP Wad Seals the Gasses, The Bullet bases are fully protected by the OP Wad, When you touch a shot off, the Bullet “Bumps up” and fills the Bore. I find the Twisted Tails (Bases) of my Papers a large majority of the Time, No sign of Burn?
