i see alot of people hateing traditions guns? i know why alot dislike cva for the obvious reason of the barrel problems they had. i bought mine for a great deal i got the all camo combo brand new never even loaded for 250.00 dollars and it also has the weather shield i wanted to but the new triumph but bought what i could afford the gun retails online for 452.00 so at 250.00 i'm happy havent shot it yet but it feels good to me and fits me good. so whats the big deal?