Hey guys, I'm new to this forum and have a couple of questions that it sounds like several of you may have an answer for. A few years back I was curious why a guy (or gal) couldn't shoot smokeless out of a muzzleloader, I figured in my own, feeble mindedness, that if you produced the same velocity with a given weight of projectile, that the pressure in the barrel should be the same, so I asked google. What turns up but the Savage 10ML II. Needless to say, I went out and bought it.
I bought Accurate 5744 (only because there were other loads for it in some of the cartridges I reload) TC Easy Glide sabots with 250 grain, I think, bullets (yellow sabot, yellow tip). I loaded it up with the middle of the road load for 5744 (by weight). Don't recall the exact amount, forty something grains. It shot like a dream!!
I have it topped with a Burris Scout 1X scope, (all that was legal in Utah at that time) and was getting two inch grouping at 100 yds. I sighted it about 4" high at 100 yds and was pounding the crap out of a paper plate at 200.
Since powders which contain nitro-cellulose are not legal on Utah's muzzleloader hunt. I put it away, thinking I could use it during the any weapon (rifle) season. Haven't shot it since.
Last week on the news (Fox 13 Now) there was a story of a guy who was sighting in his muzzleloader and it blew up in his face. It was a Remington Ultimate. His buddy was filming and so the whole thing was on video. It appeared to me that he was shooting smokeless powder through it. No big puff of white smoke.
When I was searching for this video, it led me to several results that had to do with Savage rifles blowing up.
There seemed to be two conflicting sides to this topic. Randy Wakeman and a fellow (don't recall his name) who was supposedly let go by Savage for being a malcontent. Randy saying there is no problem, the other dude saying, basically, do not shoot your Savage! I called Savage and got a gal on the phone who basically answered my questions but, she wouldn't really volunteer any information when I asked her why the rifle was discontinued, and if she knew approximately how many of these rifles have had barrel failures. She did say she believed any failures were from operator error in not sticking to the recommended loads. I emailed Randy and he said he knows of no rifle that has failed when sticking to the manufacturers recommendations. The other dude was showing pictures of breech plugs that had obvious gas cutting around the face, but I fail to see how this would do anything to contribute to a catastrophic failure of the barrel. Seems it would just blow a little hot gas back at your face (common in any sidelock I've ever shot) if it could get past the threads. Since I really got no re-assurance from Savage that my rifle was completely safe, I figured I would ask you guys. Have any of you seen or heard, firsthand, of someone blowing one of these up who was loading it properly? Also what happens when the vent liner hole gets opened up? Sounds to me from what I've been reading, that the gun just won't go off. I would assume that it's purpose is to make the flame from the primer a little more concentrated, or to keep the back pressure against the primer down so it doesn't deform and get stuck, or both. Thanks in advance for any insight.
2-.504 Super 91
2-.504 Whitetail G-Series
1-.451 Super 91
1-.50 TC Renegade
1-.54 TC Scout
1-.50 TC Scout
1-.50 CVA Optima
1-.50 Savage 10ML-II