Took my grandson on his first deer hunt during the Michigan youth hunt.He harvested this doe 09/29/07 at app 830am. Used his Knight Wolverine 50 cal, 200 gr Shockwave - about 35 yds. Perfect double lung shot. She went about 40 yds and piled up dead. What a great experince for both of us. I dont know who was happier! Take a kid hunting. You will make a friend for life.