So you “don’t hunt Utah.” I can assume that the answer is also no to all of the other questions I asked.Did you even read my post that you quoted?????
Well you finally went back and actually read the post you quoted. Good job!
You seem to be chasing your tail on this one….
It could as easily gone in a totally opposite, and just as bad, direction. Here we can use almost anything in our ML season. A flintlock, inline, bolt action ML, shotgun, CF rifle, or even an AR15(provided theyre chambered in an acceptable straight wall cartridge). Scopes are not restricted at all. I could use a 50x scope if i wanted one. ML season is just another regular firearm season here.
He is right. The majority of hunters in Utah disagreed with the proposals.
But if you add up pronghorn, elk, moose, bear, sheep, deer... You've got to realize that there's more than one big game species. And they migrate. They can't just live at the golf course all year. And there's not the population and roadway density like there is back east. Also, the entirety of the West are destination hunts. The herds are managed for trophies, to draw the out of state economies. No one really travels to Michigan for that "once in a lifetime" hunt.He is right. The majority of hunters in Utah disagreed with the proposals.
No way! The western states won't go the opposite. Utah doesn't have the numbers of animals that we have here, not even close. So far, the...... "reported" .... harvest here is 250,389 deer as of today, and we still have way too many, and with seasons that start in Sept and run through Jan.
Let us not forget...... We also have sharpshooters ......... killing ....... them in the urban areas. Then we also have the sharpshooters that are ...... killing ...... them all summer long, at night, and it doesn't matter rather they are doe, fawn, or buck. Those numbers are NOT counted as harvests.
I would bet that Utah doesn't have a muley lying beside the road every 1/4 to 1/2 mile like we do here.
So......... I would have to respectfully disagree that it could have gone the opposite
That doesn’t exactly sound like a dedicated ML season.
Its not anymore.
MI has elk, moose and all kinds of bear that are all over the place. Yup, we don't have pronghorn or sheep.
That is where the problem lies ,folks like you tellin me and others to eat what you like not what we like . Kinda like vegans telling all to eat grass and (some cases smoke it) , no thanks !!!!!!!! I eat meat and how I kill it(not harvested) only happens with scopes (all my sidelocks use them) my age eyes require them if I want to eat meat and I eat real regular . Not a couch potato or a tree hugger just a non cereal eater putting the accuracy potential to work and saves unintended crippling like a lot of nimrods cause , screwed up yardage /poor judgement /and wrong bullet for the job or lack of practice magnified by taking scopes out of the picture !/Ed
At peek times it does help which is why scopes should be used ,keeps (hunters honest) antler restrictions/wrong sex and they get left to rot/Ed
No sir, its not. Well its not dedicated to MLs anyway. Point was, tho, that they could have made much worse changes then they did. They have an agenda thats probably got little to do with what we, as hunter, want. Yeah hunting out west is nothing like hunting out east. The prey and the politics are different. But we all have to play by the rules, like them or not. And no matter what the rules are, somebody wont like them and will want to change things. Its not easy but they can be changed. I wouldnt be sad at all if we had a traditional ML season, no scopes or sabots. But i lack the power to get it done.
Thank God for small favors/Ed
That is true. However, the overwhelming majority of hunters there did not want the change. I think the "majority" has been echoed not only by surveys (except the one by those that wanted the change), but also by a few members who actually live in Utah.
Utah has 83000 elk. Michigan has 1k elk.
