CVA Paramount

[Busta]

You can use 209 primers. The Vari-Flame is the same dimension as a 209 primer. The stock is not exactly like the Bergara B-14 HMR. The Paramount stock has a little storage area under the hinged floorplate called "The Trap Door Tool Box".



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[ENCORE50A]

You can use 209 primers. The Vari-Flame is the same dimension as a 209 primer. The stock is not exactly like the Bergara B-14 HMR. The Paramount stock has a little storage area under the hinged floorplate called "The Trap Door Tool Box".

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Nice scope

 

[Busta]

Nice scope

Nothing but the best, for the best. But what about the rest!

 

[GM54-120]

Unless they had custom modules made the Variflame is based on 22 hornet which is larger than a 209.

 

[Chick]

You can use 209 primers. The Vari-Flame is the same dimension as a 209 primer. The stock is not exactly like the Bergara B-14 HMR. The Paramount stock has a little storage area under the hinged floorplate called "The Trap Door Tool Box".

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Starting at :35 in this video.

I bet the "tool box" camn be removed and the stock is the same.

 

[Chick]

Unless they had custom modules made the Variflame is based on 22 hornet which is larger than a 209.

I saw something like that, years ago, where someone took a small centerfire pistol cartridge case, and was using them. The 22 Hornet, uses SR primers, so, I doubt you could use them, in place of the Vari-Flame. I see where the Vari-flame adapters are selling for $44 for 20 of them.

 

[GM54-120]

Using CF cases as modules in nothing new either. People like Cecil and others have done it too. A piece of cut down .473 case head brass was what he was using in his smokeless conversions. He was also offering a 25ACP conversion. None of them hold a candle to the Hankins/ASG modules but they are cheaper.

Its really simple, the PR Variflame uses a 22 Hornet shell plate for the priming. The rim of a 22 Hornet is .350. Just above the rim its .299

A 209 has about a .310 rim and about a .240 body just above the rim.

 

[GM54-120]

Change over to these 223 case head based modules and you got a winner. BUT they are about $5 a pop. These wont leak and can handle loads in the 50Kpsi range. You will never make that kind of pressure with BH209 even with 150gr by volume and a 300gr bullet. A 223 rim is .378.

 

[ENCORE50A]

Change over to these 223 case head based modules and you got a winner. BUT they are about $5 a pop. These wont leak and can handle loads in the 50Kpsi range. You will never make that kind of pressure with BH209 even with 150gr by volume and a 300gr bullet. A 223 rim is .378.

They work. They work perfect at 160 with a 300

 

[GM54-120]

Thats my whole point. They have been tested in custom SMLs that make nearly double the peak pressure you will make with BH209. WE KNOW these work far beyond what is required for BH209. I would wager there are well over 300 people that have been using this style module for several years. Most shooting loads well over 45Kpsi.

To be fair though neither Luke or Hankins invented them. Another guy on Dougs made them from steel a couple years or so prior to Hankins offering them. I will try to dig up pics of his version.

 

[GM54-120]

Found it circa 2009. The guy went by the name of Squirrelhawker on Dougs. They were 4140 or 4150 and the nose is .240 like a 209.

 

[Chick]

I think when I read about this, the guy was using the 25 auto case head. But, the 25 ACP uses a SP primer, and the 22 Hornet, and the .223 uses a SR primer. The Vari-Flame uses a LR primer. And, I guess all of this is great, but, darn it, it is just something else to have to fool with. Does the SP, Sr or LR primers improve the accuracy? Any other advantages?

 

[ShawnT]

Less wear on the Flashholes is one. Not as much primer debris blowing though them.

 

[Dougs136Schwartz]

Not really Chick. The Large Rifle systems with modules such as Hankins or Lukes will handle more pressure . With Smokers i see no advantage . I would honestly rather have a well sealing 209 for Blackhorn. Just simpler . max pressure with Blackhorn does not exceed 35,000 or somewhere close to that. A good sealing 209 gun will easily handle that much pressure . As far as accuracy i can see no difference . 209 vs LRP. Some LRP systems will gain some velosity due to the shorter breech plug but that is about it.

 

[GM54-120]

Less fouling in the flash channel
Far less flash hole erosion than the vast majority of 209 plugs.
Arguably easier to handle in the field. I would tend to agree depending on the action.
Little more velocity.
Price is pretty close to a 209. Surely not enough to matter per shot until you wear out a module.
If you already reload its no big deal IMO but yeah its another thing to mess with.

I have yet to see any proof its more accurate if you look at inline competition scores. They do however dominate the 2 informal SML matches ive seen but to be fair its cheaper to use a 308 bolt than to make a 209 bolt for a Rem700. That has been done also and those Rem700 209 bolts were around $300. You can do it with a Savage/Stevens CF for about $80.

 

[GM54-120]

Some LRP systems will gain some velosity due to the shorter breech plug but that is about it.

Funny thing. My NULA makes more FPS with the same load as a Savage MLII. Both use 209s but my NULA plug is much shorter. Pretty big difference in barrel quality but the fps increase is pretty large for at least 1 load ive shot. Around 200fps faster using the same load.

 

[Busta]

Unless they had custom modules made the Variflame is based on 22 hornet which is larger than a 209.

The original Vari-Flame adapters were the same size as a 209 primer. Chad Shearer said in his interview that the 209 primers could also be used, so Cecil must have sold them the original 209 sized ones?

 

[Busta]

Found it circa 2009. The guy went by the name of Squirrelhawker on Dougs. They were 4140 or 4150 and the nose is .240 like a 209.

His name is Vince, and I won't use his last name. He lives a little N of Cincinnati. His neighbor was the machinist that made them to his specs.

He also made some damned nice breech plugs for the H&R/NEF Huntsmans & Sidekicks. He wasn't one looking for any credit, but he damned sure deserved it!

I talked to him several times back 9-10ish years ago. He was also one of the first to convert a stainless steel H&R Ultra .45-70 into a Smokeless Muzzleloader.

It's too bad he hasn't been around in several years. He had a lot of good ideas, and a couple that were borderline dangerous. Hope that's not why he hasn't been around?

 

[GM54-120]

That was the old Variflame that used a small primer. The new one is actually called Large Rifle Variflame. Until someone actually gets one we just dont know if its standard LRVF or a special order from CVA. I saw a guy in another video say that the twist was 1-28 too but we know that is wrong.

Old https://www.prbullet.com/vf.htm
New https://www.prbullet.com/lrvf.htm

 

[GM54-120]

Interesting tidbit from TB...He does have one on the way.

I would love to see Knight come back on as a sponsor, even as perhaps just a "Supporting Sponsor", so I could justify running an article now and then which spotlights their newer models. It would be interesting to spend some time at the bench to see how Knight's newest .45 model ... The Knight 500 ... compares to CVA's new long range .45 model - the Paramount. (One of the new CVA rifles will be on its way to us very soon.)