Im now a noob sml owner

[michiganmuzzy]

I am now in possesion of a rem700 .44 sml.
I have ...
- douglas barrel'd 700 in .44
- 20 Hankins lrp modules and primers.
- 4198, 4756, 5744, 4759 on the way, red dot, hs6, 700x, 800x, and red dot powders.
- 250 and 275 grain furies as well as an adjustable sizer. A range from 25 - 300 yards.

Im waiting on scope rings and a trigger to show up. Then i can get to it.
What might be a good powder and volume to start at? I will be starting out with the 250s because i have more of them. Will any of these powders be better with a 250 vs a 275?

 

[Idaholewis]

Muzzy you are headed to the “Dark Side”

 

[michiganmuzzy]

I know

 

[HV-Muzzleloaders]

I am now in possesion of a rem700 .44 sml.
I have ...
- douglas barrel'd 700 in .44
- 20 Hankins lrp modules and primers.
- 4198, 4756, 5744, 4759 on the way, red dot, hs6, 700x, 800x, and red dot powders.
- 250 and 275 grain furies as well as an adjustable sizer. A range from 25 - 300 yards.

Im waiting on scope rings and a trigger to show up. Then i can get to it.
What might be a good powder and volume to start at? I will be starting out with the 250s because i have more of them. Will any of these powders be better with a 250 vs a 275?

I use 76.0 grains of IMR4198 in my Brux 1-20 twist, 1.200" breech diameter 45 barrels, with the 275 grain Parker BE bullets.
That might be a good starting point for the 250 grain bullets. Your barrel is about 10% smaller, which will increase the pressure, but the 250 grain bullet is about 10% lighter than the 275, which will decrease the pressure.

If you do not have it, you may want to consider purchasing QuickLoad for your computer.
I have an older version of the program, but it does a good job of predicting pressures with various loads and powders.
I often select the 458 Win Mag case, and then a bullet and powder combination, and then adjust the seating depth to come up with a fill percentage of about 100% to simulate what is happening in the barrel of my muzzleloader.

We should all be a little gun shy about giving or accepting load data from others.


Go to about 10 1/2 minutes into the following video.

(1) Smokeless Muzzle Loader: 275 grain bullet @ 3,000 fps - YouTube


Reduce your load data by about 10% in the sabot load video below.

(1) Smokeless Muzzle Loader Sabot Loads (High Pressure/High Velocity) - YouTube

 

[D55]

4756,red dot,hs6, are way too fast powders, not sure what 700x/800x are. 4759 is a good powder for slower fps loads in lower doses, 5744 is dirty. Myself for those bullet weights and up to 300gr. I would choose either 4198 powders or IMR 4227. That's just me. You don't want to use anything but stick /extruded powders.

 

[michiganmuzzy]

700×/800× are shotgun powders that ive had and never used for shotshell reloads. The red dot and hs6 are for some brass im reloading. Has anyone ever tried shotgun powders in sml? Ive heard differing opinions on the 4227 but I can still get a pound or 2 locally.

 

[GM54-120]

Look at 444 Marlin load data for the 4198. Problem is finding a compressed load listing for 4198 with bullets that heavy. 51ish grains is compressed with a Barnes 200gr at almost 43Kpsi. So you know a compressed load with a 275gr is probably gunna be at least that high.

I would imagine since its 44cal the die is a full form 44cal. Not a smooth die. Full form should ease the peak pressure a little bit.

I would look at some of the slightly slower powders too like H322 or 10X. 52gr of H322 and a 240gr is compressed and not quite 36kpsi. The same amount of 4198 is over 42kpsi with that bullet. Max load of 10x for 444 is 53gr but no data listed for compression.

 

[michiganmuzzy]

I will look for some slower powders. I'm going to have to dig out and dust off a laptop to get the quickloads program. Havent used it(the laptop) in a year or 2.

 

[redear]

I'm using Imr 4227 at 45 grains in my 45 cal CVA scout conversion break action SML, with a 250 gr. barnes tez bullet and a wool wad, also hankins brass modules with CCI large rifle primers. It does a great job on deer at 200 yds, and approx 2300 fps at the muzzle if I remember correctly.

 

[LBAhunter]

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[michiganmuzzy]

I didnt get it

 

[AlaskaStillwaterBows]

Are these legal to hunt with ? Or just for hunting during a regular rifle season ? Theres a lawyer licking their lips somewhere

 

[HV-Muzzleloaders]

Are these legal to hunt with ? Or just for hunting during a regular rifle season ? Theres a lawyer licking their lips somewhere

Articles - Muzzleloader Regulations by State (muzzle-loaders.com)

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[AlaskaStillwaterBows]

The regs are vague, yes it does load by the muzzle. Some states say you must use black powder or substitutes, yet others dont mention the powder type. I can see someday now they have to define what a muzzleloader really is. Smokeless powder and a primer is technically a modern rifle minus a brass case. It's like putting a binary trigger in an AR-15 and not calling it full auto.

 

[Ninering62]

I am now in possesion of a rem700 .44 sml.
I have ...
- douglas barrel'd 700 in .44
- 20 Hankins lrp modules and primers.
- 4198, 4756, 5744, 4759 on the way, red dot, hs6, 700x, 800x, and red dot powders.
- 250 and 275 grain furies as well as an adjustable sizer. A range from 25 - 300 yards.

Im waiting on scope rings and a trigger to show up. Then i can get to it.
What might be a good powder and volume to start at? I will be starting out with the 250s because i have more of them. Will any of these powders be better with a 250 vs a 275?

I'm happy for ya brother

 

[HC]

MM, PM sent.

 

[HV-Muzzleloaders]

The regs are vague, yes it does load by the muzzle. Some states say you must use black powder or substitutes, yet others dont mention the powder type. I can see someday now they have to define what a muzzleloader really is. Smokeless powder and a primer is technically a modern rifle minus a brass case. It's like putting a binary trigger in an AR-15 and not calling it full auto.

If you put the propellant, and projectile in through the muzzle, it is a "muzzleloader".

BH209 is an approved substitute that does contain some nitrocellulose. However, it also contains some corrosive oxiders.

A #11 percussion cap is a type of "primer".

A Franklin Armory "binary trigger" fires the firearm when you pull the trigger, and when you release the trigger. That would be one shot each time the trigger moves.

 

[Ninering62]

The regs are vague, yes it does load by the muzzle. Some states say you must use black powder or substitutes, yet others dont mention the powder type. I can see someday now they have to define what a muzzleloader really is. Smokeless powder and a primer is technically a modern rifle minus a brass case. It's like putting a binary trigger in an AR-15 and not calling it full auto.

From what I've seen, the states that do not allow the use of smokeless powder ( during muzzleloader season only ) their laws have clearly stated " Use of Nitrocellulos powders PROHIBITED ". As for what classifies as an " muzzleloader " It does not matter whatsoever one can put down their barrel, the fact remains that it IS STILL A ML ONLY loaded from the muzzle. Period! The fact that now smokeless powders & high BC jacketed bullets with 3000fps mv does not alter that its still a muzzleloader. A badazz muzzleloader, & the entire loading & firing procedures are the same. Putting a binary trigger on anything is cool as heck, but it even by govt standards ( which is why there is a loophole for trigger systems like this to exist & be sold legally without a class 3 ) It absolutely DOES NOT make it a " full auto " weapon. Period. We need to get rid of all politicians that bring their religion to work & think & work against our constitution out of their office & have all these ridiculous rules on muzzleloaders of all things that should have never been tolerated & facilitated to exist in the first place repealed & wiped out just like the tyrannous idiots that made them. In no other position on earth would any person keep their job if they actively worked against everything they stand for & are founded upon & actively seek to destroy it all on a daily basis. Yet we have tolerated it from our elected officials for way too long. +I had to make a lil amend here where I miss spoke on powder type. I corrected it. I'm glad I caught the error.

 

[Ninering62]

If you put the propellant, and projectile in through the muzzle, it is a "muzzleloader".

BH209 is an approved substitute that does contain some nitrocellulose. However, it also contains some corrosive oxiders.

A #11 percussion cap is a type of "primer".

A Franklin Armory "binary trigger" fires the firearm when you pull the trigger, and when you release the trigger. That would be one shot each time the trigger moves.

YesSir

 

[AlaskaStillwaterBows]

I was mainly wondering what states allowed smokeless powders to hunt with during a muzzleloader hunt that's all vs looking at all 50 states regs. I had never heard of a smokeless muzzleloader until seeing them on this forum. I agree with you about the horrible laws. Kind of like archery season has now become crossbow hunting season.