Converted Paramount

[Ninering62]

I got a quote for $3000. That doesn't include the cost of the muzzleloader.

Wellllll Hush my Puppies! Somebody's bumped their head! Yeah, I'll pass

 

[HV-Muzzleloaders]

Wellllll Hush my Puppies! Somebody's bumped their head! Yeah, I'll pass

The last rifle I sold was $2500 and that included the scope and rings. However, it did not have a brake on it.

 

[mwwoodman]

What kind of thread is needed for the barrel stub in the Paramount action?

It is 28 mm x 1.5 pitch

 

[HV-Muzzleloaders]

Wellllll Hush my Puppies! Somebody's bumped their head! Yeah, I'll pass

For those wanting to save money, buy a Savage centerfire rifle and use the parts below from Arrowhead Rifles. Your load data may not be as hot as the thicker barrels, but you should get 30-06 velocities for a lot less money.
I am sure you can find a gunsmith willing to help you put it together, if necessary.

https://www.arrowheadrifles.com/product/savage_prefit_barrels/

 

[Customguns]

Actually we do the conversions for less than $3000.

 

[Decay]

With the price of Blackhorn going stupid high, This smokeless conversion makes sense to me. I'll get a Brux barrel from the factory, it's only 2.5 hour drive from home and have a local gunsmith put it together. He knows how. Is my Arrowhead breech plug and gen 2 module system OK for smokeless?

 

[HV-Muzzleloaders]

Is my Arrowhead breech plug and gen 2 module system OK for smokeless?

It is my understanding that is what it was designed for. If not, someone else here will correct me.

 

[Customguns]

I’ve converted quite a few Paramounts to smokeless. My first three I used the Arrowhead breech plug. They all leaked and a 300 grain Pittman pushed by 72 grains of H4198 disintegrated my primer. I changed those three guns to Hankins ignitions and all the ones I built since are Hankins. No excess pressure, no blown primers and that includes a 300 grain Pittman pushed by 78 grains of H4198.

 

[ENCORE50A]

Never had an Arrowhead breech plug leak. I know of no one that has one that leaks (until now).
I send everything from 110grs weight of BH209, to 102grs of H4895 with 350gr XLD's.
Never had a plug or module leak.

 

[Customguns]

I’m not blaming Arrowhead. Luke made a smokeless rated breech plug for the Paramount that was intended to shoot Blackhorn209. No leakage with Blackhorn. Changed the barrel and went smokeless. At 65 grains the primer would slightly back out. At 72 grain disintegrate. I talked to both Luke and Jeff Hankins about the problem I had with the leakage. Luke said he never heard of any leakage and Jeff says he’s seen a lot. If yours doesn’t leak that’s great. Mine did.

 

[ENCORE50A]

Not saying anyone is blaming anyone, just that of all the smokeless shooters I know, none of them have had leaks with the Arrowhead breech plugs. I don't have any primers backing out because my headspace is perfect. I keep all my charges within known safe weights.
I know MANY who are using the Arrowhead breech plugs in RUM's and UF rifles. None have reported leaking breech plugs or modules.
I'm sure Jeff Hankins has seen a lot of leaking breech plugs and modules.

 

[Customguns]

Jeff offers a $80 credit for trading in Arrowhead breech plugs for his. He says he has bucket loads of traded in breech plugs that had leaked. All I know for sure is mine leaked and I know you’re intimating I built mine wrong, but that’s not the case. Just stated my experience that’s all. Seems like I’m entitled to my own experience. I have not disputed that others didn’t leak nor tried to insult them.

 

[Customguns]

By the way, how many converted Paramounts are you aware of and have experience with? I have Arrowhead breech plugs in guns other than Paramounts and not experienced any leaks.

 

[ENCORE50A]

By the way, how many converted Paramounts are you aware of and have experience with? I have Arrowhead breech plugs in guns other than Paramounts and not experienced any leaks.

I don't have a converted Paramount. Wouldn't own one.

 

[Customguns]

Yet you are sure that the Arrowhead breech plug doesn’t leak or if it does the headspace is wrong? Must be nice to have that much knowledge.

 

[BuckDoeHunter]

My Arrowhead Gen 2 breech plugs do not leak but I don't shoot high end loads out of my Apex conversions. I have read where Arrowhead Gen 2 breech plugs have higher pressures acting against the module and primer compared to the Hankins plug, due to the location of the bushing. Customguns, are you using 209 systems or modules? A 300 grain bullet with 78 grains of H4198 is a stout load,

 

[Customguns]

I’m using modules and the barrel is a Brux #17 heavy varmint. Hankins breech plug and modules handle it fine with no excessive pressure. The arrowhead breech plug and arrowhead bolt head showed signs of excessive pressure at 65 grains and blew the primer at 72 grains, but what Luke had made for the Paramount clearly stated for the Paramount using Blackhorn209, so I have no complaint with Luke. I’ve used Arrowhead breech plugs in the Encore and other rifles with no leaks. I have been told that the problem with the Paramount breech plug is due to the positioning of the bushing. It is what it is. I have no problem with either Luke or Jeff. Happen to like and purchase from both of them. I also use the 78 grain load based upon conversations with both Jeff and Luke. I have access to a PhD in engineering who regularly works with missiles and large caliber guns. The 78 grain load was tested before use and found safe in the configuration tested. Since that time I’ve used that load in the range testing of the converted Paramounts we’ve done without any problems.

 

[ENCORE50A]

Yet you are sure that the Arrowhead breech plug doesn’t leak or if it does the headspace is wrong? Must be nice to have that much knowledge.

What have I been saying? Stop reading what you want into everything. Go back up and read it again, and again.
Seems a new guy knows everything and what he doesn't know, he makes up.
I'll say it again so the new EXPERT can read it again................ Mine doesn't leak. No one I know has one that leaks. No RUM or UF mods leak.

EVERYONE I know shooting smokeless, RUM's, or UF rifles, and that use the Arrowhead breech plugs and modules, do not have leaks.
As for as head spacing, if its done right, the primers should not back out.

 

[Customguns]

Like I already said, and you can read it again, it’s great yours doesn’t leak. Never said I know everything, but I’m sure I have a lot more experience converting Paramounts to smokeless than you do and I answered a question about converting a Paramount to smokeless when you decided to jump in on something you admit you don’t have and wouldn’t want.

 

[Customguns]

As for the primers backing out, if you were familiar with Arrowhead’s bolt head you would see why the primers back out and make it difficult to extract the module.